I have done so before, it enterily depends on how hard your oppent hits, normal damage attacks do nothing fancy, hard damage attacks are the ones to look out for. How much ego did Vesar have, did he use one of his psionic skills (ironwill I think)? Howmuch does he sip for, did he beautiy up, was it a watery environment? Was he using an astrology sphere?

What does that do?

Edit: Maybe that could explain why some people seemed almost impossible to debate.

Ironwill gives Ego regeneration.

Is that the only psionic skill that would be of use in influencing?

People did hit hard several times. No idea on the ego. No idea on psionics. No idea on sipping, but someone of his level and race could answer that. No idea on beauty. No it wasn't watery. I doubt he was using astrology, I don't think it was a good time.

Before people scream OMG NERF, let me clarify that Ironwill sucks. Badly. It's 50 ego every 10 seconds.

So, wait, Laetitia balance is every 4 seconds, right? So, about 800 ego every 4 seconds with standard int? That's as much as a sit for me, if not more. That's double the ego regen of a Commune member.

Also, Master Viscanti have Populus and Netzach - they have 14 charisma, not 12. 14 is above the 'it doesn't even matter anymore' mark, where you influence faster than denizens can react. As was said in other threads, it's trivial to get a +2. That puts you well above the danger zone for being hit back in an influence. Doesn't matter that much after that point. Sip penalties apparently do not apply to bromide, so that is also not a factor.

Yes, Viscanti have a minor max ego disadvantage, but from what I've seen, it isn't that big of a factor at all.

Give me ~300 less max ego but double my ego regen and I'll be happy



That's not a factor then. It sounded like it gave something useful like ego damage reduction.

Hmm, I wonder if there is something in psionics that would deflect ego damage somehow? All the best influencers from Celest that I had trouble with - Vesar, Collvan and Sipelus (only once), are aquamancers.

Unless you guys have just been training up or something.

Mages don't get Populus.

My suggestion is that if you are engaged in a debate, you shouldn't be able to divert period - even with full ego. Once the debate ends either through someone get shattered or time passes, the ability to divert returns.

Might work, but then you get people running on the first hit, hiding until the debate is over, then rushing badn and diverting before anyone can start another one. Still does help alleviate the problem with Divert, just not with holding down people to debate them.


EDIT: The one thing that worries me about this is that doesn't this mean whoever has the most people influencing automatically wins? Just don't want it to boil down to that


EDIT EDIT: Oh, I guess that's not true, as the people need to be good to count. The 'bad' ones can just be shattered, and they are out of the picture.

Well if people are running they can't divert so problem fixed. When they come back, you can debate them once and bam. No more diverting.

They only need to divert once to totally reset it though, so they can just run away, run in, divert, run away for a minute, come back, divert.

I agree with this system, since you all seem to only have problems with divert, and it stops other forms of 'abuse'.

here is my test, I'm a level 79 faeling with stat:

Strength : 7 Dexterity : 18 Constitution : 9
Intelligence : 15 Size : 4 Charisma : 16
defenses:
Your blood is clotting by virtue of the Ray of the Kingdom.
Your mana is regenerating by virtue of the Ray of Perfection.
Your health is regenerating by virtue of the Ray of the Merciful Hand.
You are seeing death.
Your vision is heightened to see in the dark.
You have insomnia, and cannot easily go to sleep.
Your insides are warmed by a fire potion.
You have ingested the kafe bean and are feeling extremely energetic.
You are tempered against fire damage.
You are viewing the world through the third eye.
You are protected by 10 defences.

near omnitrans (only need riding and aethercraft)
no other buffs, I'm chanting myself.



A total healing of 890 keeping in mind I have a max ego of 4408

now a test with healing:

total healing of: 1030.

So Laetitia alone is, for you, 222.5 ego per second. That's more than commune's total regen, which is limited to specific conditions.

not exactly when I chant myself I also need to skip an influence session, getting hit again (You'll notice I rarely run with a chanter).

but with a chanter on my back yes, but anyone with bromide will be able to outdebate me if I wouldn't have some.

So making it an enchantment seems fair to me. Even if we change (and i doubt it will happen) Divert to what NArsrim said.


only you can do this right now too, chanter or no chanter (well unless it's a sanc in a hostile demesne)

I just meant it wouldn't fix what it was intended to fix.

so lets make it a cosmic enchantment, it would make the guardian enchanters happy, it will make communes happy, win win situation.

I meant ego ya douche

anyway the problem here is DEBATING and INFLUENCING

Not laetitia, elfens have good ego, so do merians.

viscanti do not. It somewhat makes up for it....Why not leave the discussion till after the major issues get fixed

heh heh I sense trade bans comming in soon, followed soon by the rise of the rogue traders.

Sorry if there is a mistake below
but in 10 seconds you would recover 2000+ ego in the same time anyone bonded with moon or stag (keeping in mind the warriors with hunting now) would have recovered 100 if there are three people available to recast light after dawn



Also i thought bromides were available at bobs, at the least some potions are available there so it would be very hard for us to put a total halt on all potions available to cities