Which would explain the hidden ninja village... someone accidentially made it tip toward Serenwilde and announce its allegiance before it was given a name in the database, perhaps?

But still, this fixes -nothing- with influence. Debating still stinks, diverting still stinks, demesnes still stink. Let's try changing some of the other factors other than what works?

I think you guys are reading into things a bit much. Heh.

Actually though.. this frees Magnagora to take 2 mining villages. They can go after Rockholm or Southgard, and after they take it, go back to take Ankrag.

But at the same time, it frees Glomdoring to backstab Magnagora and take it while their focused on a different mining village.

I think it will actually make things more interesting. I mean, you're saying "Oh, it'll be Celest/Seren going for Estelbar" but if that ends up being the case, the friendship between Seren and Celest is going to quickly vanish - and its already incredibly strained. That alone will liven things up.

Since you people can't be bothered to read help scrolls not on the forums:

I don't see the point you're trying to make.

If its in reply to me - it says you can't influence Rockholm or Southgard while having Ankrag - but its been stated by Divine that you can influence Ankrag if you control Rockholm or Southgard.

Well, I like this change, and I don't like this change. Rather than repeat what has been said, I'm going to toss a new spin on this:

I am very hesitant about changes that seem created on the sole basis that one or more organizations isn't acting up to par with the rest and as such, shouldn't have to - we'll just whip up a change that will give them a chance too.

The only reason Serenwilde has been successful lately is because it got the crap kicked out of it for 5 irl months and was forced to adapt. Initially, Serenwilde tried to match Magnagora (back in the day) toe-to-toe in combat. It failed over and over. Once people started realizing that it was the influencing not the combat that won villages, everything changed. The combatants who wanted to fight could still fight - but the focus should be smuggling all those Elfens and Faelings behind them to go influence, influence, influence.

I think changes like this remove that sort of learning and adaption process. I forsee each organization looking at what will revolt when, picking one village, and sacrifing the other. Furthermore, I think this will breed yet another era of Celenwilde and Glomgora.

For example, let's assume Estelbar and Acknor go into play. Estelbar is peaced. Acknor is not peaced. I forsee Serenwilde saying to Celest: we will help you fight for Acknor, but we want Estelbar. Likewise: Serenwilde saying to Celest, Magnagora will go for Angkrag. This leaves Rockholm and Southgard open. We'll merge our fighters to wipe out Glomdoring, we'll take Rockholm, you can have Southgard.

I guess that's fine, I can handle it... but I know people were complaining and whining and crying and bitching and moaning about this same thing for like the last couple months.

The thing is I don't see WHY they have to stay the same.

Personally I think it's the current group of players in Celest and Serenwilde who are at fault for things being same old same old.

I'm told that when the game first opened up, Mag and Seren made an alliance against New Celest, and I think that's awesome. Why? Because it goes against the traditional evil vs nature/good.

Why can't Glomdoring and Serenwilde call a ceasefire? Though Glom is partly responsible, I think it's mostly because you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Though you could say we were once tainted, we surely are not anymore. We're Wyrd baby. But since it came from the taint then we're still tainted. But didn't the Taint originate from the Light? So why don't they hate Celest, not to mention it's in the histories that Serenwilde would never trust or work with a city again, yet there they are doing that very thing.

As I've only been a part of the game for about 4 months, maybe my opinion isn't worth a crap, but here it is for you anyway

It's just as easy to ask why can't the Glomdoring actually make an effort to get along with Celest? There's no particular attachment to hating the Glomdoring in Celest beyond the belief that the place is Tainted. Prove it isn't.

Besides, people really need to actually pay attention to what's going on in the game before complaining about how the players in Celest and Serenwilde are making things stale by colluding together on everything. Ask around, look around, talk to some people IC.

Taint did not originate from the light (the light being teachings of the supernals) the taint did originate from Old Celest's/Ladatines greed

and there are factions that hate Celest, and right now there is no alliance or even help in a village from either Celest or Serenwilde. (see rockholm)

And serenwilde's hate for taint is the smallest of reasons why they dislike glomdoring.

Not quite. It's the *original* reason, as I'm sure you remember. The Fae thing exacerbated the situation, but the "tainted" label was the reason for beginning hostilities.

oh yeah, we enslave the fae, hehe.
at least you believe we do

and like I said I know Glomdoring is just as responsible as everyone else. I know we're pushing ourselves away from Mag and becoming more isolationist, but that isn't an end to all, at least it shouldn't be, I hope. Sorry if I come off as a tard, but to be quite frank, I am

I have a dream!

You need to understand that this is an opinion. The general populace of Celest and Serenwilde recognizes that while tainted, Glomdoring claimed it wasn't. This was in part due to the Commune accepting or even obtaining the dementia of Viravain as a result of being possessed by Kethuru.

When the Wyrd came into existence, Glomdoring tried to claim it wasn't of the Taint. Why would anyone believe that? It was once tainted - and Glomdoring flat out rejected it / didn't see it. Thus many argue that Glomdoring lacks the ability to distinguish accurately what is and what is not tainted.

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Furthermore, Hajamin professed to his Order and Celest that the Wyrd was a derivative of taint and as such just as dangerous and hostile (when questioned, he gave a cute analogy, which I hope someone remembers, but I can't recall it exactly). Regardless of what some people say, I've spoken with 3 members of Isune's Order to claim to have spoken to her. The message was the the Wyrd is flawed much like the Taint is flawed and as such, bad. Lisaera, who is the Seren source of infinite wisdom, has not publically made a statement to the Commune (although someone from her Order might be able to fill in her view).

As such, there is no reason or motivation for Serens or Celestians to see the Wyrd as anything other than taint - given a coat of green paint with some spiders tossed in for decoration.

"You have a house. Your wife and her sisters come over to decorate your house, and cover every surface of it with tulips and roses and daisies. It's still your house, just now it's covered in flowers."

Something like that.

Heh heh, Hajamin fairly recently got engaged so I suspect this analogy wasn't totally metaphysical.

I do remember thinking that it sounded almost like he was speaking from experience.

Think the change may be interesting, and will definitely address the issue of larger than four way contest when other organizations are released. Though, I think there are still core problems with influencing as a whole that need to be addressed. Namely Debate, Charisma, Divert.

Not from many Moondancers' perspectives it isn't. Fae>Taint, as far as we are concerned, though we are by no means comfortable with the Taint.

Those would have to be moondancers who came after the Glomdoring was formed... because any who were around before (and I'm pretty sure you were one of them) at the very least observed the conflict in the Glomdoring before there was even a Commune, or any guilds at all... thus, no Fae were being bound, as the Avatars weren't raised until later.

The fae weren't a reason for anything until Gwyllgi wanted Fae corpses, thus, the original reason was the taint.

Original reason != most important reason

While yes, the taint may have been an issue at first, it doesn't mean than when a new issue arose, it was "lesser" than the first.

But a new reason doesn't automatically make the first one the "smallest reason for disliking"-- it forged the original mindset, and later issues were piled on top of it.