I'm going to go with

(Flying Trickster Happy) (maker love laughing) (source close return)

Flying Trickster Happy = Crow
Maker Love Laughing = Viravain
Source Close Return = Ravenwood

I still think he was referring to Kethuru, pushing through the Seals.

my memmory could be fading, however I thought it was a few days between Kethuru being put back behind the seals and Viravain opening up glomdoring. I think I remember adding things to the ravenwood to make it just get to 0 power....

I think your giving Kethuru too much credit.

Umm, this was the prelude to the Kethuru event, when Gloriana was being cleared of the Taint by Viravain, and we were recieving warnings that it was a BAD IDEA.

ahhh..

but most of the prophecies sounded as if there was a possibility of preventing the badness. Which is why I think this one, which doesn't have a choice involved, is talking about the Ravenwood. Because one way or another, it was coming back.

The whole plot was scripted In Lusternia, plot is a backdrop for your RP, you can't actually effect it meaningfully. Nothing really wrong with that, but this event made me a bit annoyed at first because I thought we COULD effect it meaningfully.

It's just the 'the source of us, our yearning' bits that really make me think of Kethuru, who I see more as the source of Glomdoring than the Ravenwood... The Ravenwood was a part of Gloriana, though it didn't make the Gloriana. Kethuru made the Glomdoring the Glomdoring.

Oh. My. Goodness.

I loved these prophecies.

However, I am pretty sure there was one other Chuchip Prophecy. Gwylifar got it - and I can barely remember it, but it isn't the one posted.

Edit: Something I found while going through old messages -

...wow. Ibaesha's story just blew me away.

And I am so heartbroken I missed the finishing event, when Kethuru possessed Viravain. But she was really fun in crazy-mode when each of us got summoned to her later.

As for affecting things, I don't know. I think pretty much everyone in the Summer Court knew that it was a temporary victory, and the plan for Glomdoring wasn't what we were trying to accomplish. There was a bitter-sweetness, and even though we worked as hard as we could to overcome the other factions, I think there were too many signs against it to ignore.

It was still fun trying to come up with ways to detaint the forest, or rescue Gib or whatever though.

I remember demesning (purifying) the whole of Glomdoring while Magnagora and the Crows weren't watching.

What I meant was, mechanically, what was going to happen would have happened no matter what - players don't get to choose the dierction the story goes. That's not a bad thing, it's just something that isn't readily apparent to everyone when they start playing. I mean, you can start an org like the Summer Court or the DoC, and it might give the admins a few ideas on what to do, but things won't turn out the way you think, or the way you want, because it isn't the actions of these orgs that effect things.

:shrug:

Heh. I was in a nostalgic mood, and thus decided to drop by the forums for a visit. Imagine my surprise upon finding this thread.

In response to the original question, I would agree with the others. The DoC was a very... diverse group in terms of personalities. I'd be lying if I said that many of the members would have made good leaders.

Also, I'm pleased to see the full story from the Seren perspective. Given that my interactions with Serens had always ended badly for me after the DoC, it had always remained something of a curiosity to me OOC'ly.



That it did. Though, I can't help but feel as though there were several ideas amongst the Crows as to what we felt that Glomdoring should be. We seemed to agree on the general atmosphere, but anything a bit more specific was up in the air. We were still very new to our surroundings, however, so I suppose that it's justified. Or perhaps my memory's merely playing tricks on me again.

I am just imagining it:
- Random Builder: "Estarra, I finished building the Glomdoring Commune and the Tainted Glomdoring"
- Players manage to bring back Gloriana
- Estarra: "Random builder, I want a Gloriana done for yesterday. Hurry up! Players got the upper hand once again!"

Mine was tangential to the Gloriana issue, as indeed was all my involvement in the Summer Court, though I didn't know that for sure at the time.

Chuchip spoke something very close to this (the exact words are in Gwylifar's journal, I don't have it here): "An ancient threat rises in the south; the one-eyed giants seek to awake a slumbering evil." Soon after, Surtami came looking for Gwylifar and the Grey Moors eventually opened.

From what could be pieced together in the Moors, it was clear that after Lolly Pringle left the Moors, the aslaran leader of the time (Raashala) and the krokani (Vkojann) changed the setup of the krokani device/Claw of Shanth configuration. Instead of holding out the Taint, they changed it to something that drew it in and trapped it, concentrated it within Castle Djarrakh. This led to the collapse of most of that castle, but it's noteworthy that Vkojann, as far as we can tell, went along with this willingly in spite of that. (Kar'chen doesn't believe that, even though his mother calls him a fool.)

This implies that this change was done for a very serious reason. Good enough for Vkojann to sacrifice his people's home, and Raashala to sacrifice the most powerful and important artifact of her people, perhaps the most important one in history. My theory is that there was some threat that they saved the world from, that no one else even knows about because no one who was there to see it survived to tell the tale. We only know what Lolly happened to be there to see, after all.

In fact, and I know I'm reaching here, if you look at the timing in Lolly's story, everyone assumes it was Project Paradox that took the sentience out of the Taint cloud. But it makes just as much, perhaps more, sense, to assume that Raashala and Vkojann did that. Perhaps that's what they trapped inside the Castle -- Kethuru, or at least the conduit by which his awareness permeated the cloud. In my opinion IC this makes more sense than attributing it to Project Paradox, but OOC, I doubt that's what the admin were heading for, so I doubt it'll turn out this is true.

Anyway, as a result, the assumption is that the Claw of Shanth is still inside the machine which is trapped within the Castle, within a ball of super-concentrated Taint and possibly also some aspect of Kethuru's own awareness. Gwylifar was feverishly researching if there was a way that we could get the Claw out without releasing all that. See, the Claw is the only thing in history known to be able to push back the Taint (or was at that time), and the Summer Court was feverishly looking for options for pushing back the Taint from Gloriana. It may seem in hindsight like a reach, but you have to remember the other avenues we were exploring. Really this Claw option was the least fantastic, barring the whole problem of it being irretrievable.

In the end, Gwylifar concluded there was, unfortunately, no option to retrieve the Claw that was not far more dangerous than it was worth, so he bent his efforts to preventing it ever being retrieved. (And that is a whole 'nother story that raises my blood pressure just thinking about.) By then, Viravain was cleansing the Gloriana anyway, and Gwylifar's part in the Summer Court was diminishing. Viravain, now crazy, made one attempt to recruit Gwylifar (amusingly, though, She essentially just gave him permission to kill Rowena -- "scoop out her eyeballs" specifically -- which he never did) and that was that. In the end, all of Gwylifar's efforts towards Gloriana ended up being about something entirely unrelated to Gloriana. Just as well, really.