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Sidra2006-02-23 23:23:38
QUOTE(Arix @ Feb 23 2006, 03:14 PM) 261800

I still think that Trill not having any sort of native language is total bull. You said they came from the mountains, so why can't they speak Dwarven?


Its actually possible that Common is the Trill racial language. I mean, as a race capable of flight, they would have had the greatest ability to mingle between the various races. And since the origin of "common" isn't talked about, why not make an argument that Common is the Trill racial language that everyone adopted because Trill were just that cool and were the most widely travelled, so that it became the language of trade and such? tongue.gif
Daganev2006-02-23 23:25:01
That makes sense!
Arix2006-02-24 00:18:52
Maybe we could just MAKE a Trill language.
Diamondais2006-02-24 00:21:25
QUOTE(Arix @ Feb 23 2006, 07:18 PM) 261823

Maybe we could just MAKE a Trill language.

Ive been asking you if you wanted to help me get the Trill together to see if this was possible for several IG months...no reply yet.

Its probably better to deal with this in an IC fashion than rant here, though we would have to speak to one of the Divine in any circumstance.
tsaephai2006-02-24 06:38:18
QUOTE(Arix @ Feb 23 2006, 07:18 PM) 261823

Maybe we could just MAKE a Trill language.

i can help with the linguistics of it.
alright, first lets do the phonetics and orthography because it's easiest and it's hard to do conjugation and things without it.
what letters would there be?
perhaps, being as they're a bird-like race, they have several types of whistles posing as letters, and clicks, and maybe their lingue-beakial(like lingue-labial?) is the only stop besides clicks that they have?
so probably this for constonants:
a front click
a back click
a glottal click
lingue-beakial stop
glottal stop
back fricative
flap(equivelent to spanish rr about)

then there's vowels, which are probably widly assorted. i think it could be fair to use whistling as a property of the vowel, which can be present or not and marked with some sort of thing similiar to an accent mark. tone would also be very likely present and wouldn't need whistled vowels to be used.
probably something like this:
high back
low back
low mid
and mid front
hmm, not as assorted as i could think of, but there's probably more that i can't identify(trying to think of what sounds i've heard my uncle's parrot use...)there's obviously no rounded vowels, and i don't think tense and lax vowels are a distinction capable of being made by birds.

now this needs and alphabet to display it. if someone can give me an idea of what a bird orthagraphy would look like? two possiblities might be scratches, like chickenscratch, or wavy and brush-like with many twirls and curves like the wind. kindof like a more connected version of the sinhala script, perhaps?
for the purposes of transliteration, i will indicate these letters with these in the roman script:
a front click L
a back click K
a glottal click Q
lingue-beakial stop P
glottal stop '
back fricative H
flap R
high back U(more like oo, not uh)
low back O
low mid E
and mid front I
and whistles will be indicated when a vowel is preceded by a y. tone will be indicated with the marks ú for high tone ù for low tone and û for falling rising tone

the phonological constraints would be rather free to vowels i'd imagine. probably something like (q, h)+V+C+(V)+(V)

now onto grammar.
i would imagine that they would convey meaning in short but compact phrases, in which each small part has a large meaning and small changes change the meaning drastically, since that seems more like a bird song, rather than a long drawn out thing to show complex meaning or a few words that don't show much meaning. this would probably indicate an inflectional language. being inflectional syntax doesn't matter much for short sentances. i think that imbedded clauses would be best absent from the sentance as that could force a strict syntax, and there are two reasone for this: the trill might believe it to be more freeing to be able to express things in any manner they want, so it would be better for a more poetic language or something, and have you ever heard a bird including phrases inside of it's song?
an overly poetic language would probably not be too good, something light and airy, since many of the often considered poetic languages contain heavy accenting. for a similiar point, it is probably more reasonable to contain chronemes rather than an actual pitch or accent system(although it seems to me that pitch and accent systems are ussually lacking in tonal languages). i'm not shure on this point much, what do you think? perhaps three lengths of tone, short(indicated by a ! after the vowel in the transliteration) medium, and long(indicated by a : in the transliterations)
i can't think of anything else that could be really determined by them being freedom loving birds, most of the rest is pretty much what is chosen by them.
what do you all think? i have a strong feeling noone would find this of any interest so i'll stop here before actually creating words and things that wouldn't be predictable from their behaviour and anatomy.

EDIT: MWUHUHAHAHAHAHA! cower before the wrathe of the trill speaking igasho!
Valarien2006-02-24 09:33:15
Is it just me, or did Tsaephai completely pwn this entire thread?

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Arix2006-02-24 19:11:36
Indeed. There was much pwnage from the Tsaephai. However, it was not bad pwnage.
Richter2006-02-24 19:24:01
Jeez, what does he do? Like a linguist, or speech therapist, or something like that? O_O

And I think changelings should have a racial language. happy.gif
Daganev2006-02-24 21:30:13
The trill should all sneak into the blacktalon and steal crow's language and take it as thier own.
Unknown2006-02-24 22:51:19
Yay!! Crow Tongue is Trill!! biggrin.gif Some of us poor trills don't have beaks. Trill's language should be based around trills and squaks, like birdehs. fly.gif
Actually, having crow tongue isn't that bad of an idea now that i think about it...
Xenthos2006-02-24 22:52:33
QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Feb 24 2006, 05:51 PM) 262090

Yay!! Crow Tongue is Trill!! biggrin.gif Some of us poor trills don't have beaks. Trill's language should be based around trills and squaks, like birdehs. fly.gif
Actually, having crow tongue isn't that bad of an idea now that i think about it...


This is why you make a crow cloak and wear it.
Ashteru2006-02-24 22:57:34
Take the crowtongue and burry it somewhere where no one can find it... ninja.gif
Unknown2006-02-25 05:39:33
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Feb 24 2006, 04:52 PM) 262092

This is why you make a crow cloak and wear it.


Some of the other trills can't, 'cause...they're icky Celewilde people.
Aiakon2006-02-25 16:02:23
QUOTE(Sidra @ Feb 23 2006, 11:23 PM) 261805

Its actually possible that Common is the Trill racial language. I mean, as a race capable of flight, they would have had the greatest ability to mingle between the various races. And since the origin of "common" isn't talked about, why not make an argument that Common is the Trill racial language that everyone adopted because Trill were just that cool and were the most widely travelled, so that it became the language of trade and such? tongue.gif


It always seemed most likely to me that common was what the Human Language became. After all, the Humans came to the Basin with Estarra, and they immediately mingled everywhere and created their human/other breed hybrids etc... whereas didn't the old races keep themselves more or less to themselves.
ferlas2006-02-25 16:11:37
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Feb 25 2006, 04:02 PM) 262403

It always seemed most likely to me that common was what the Human Language became. After all, the Humans came to the Basin with Estarra, and they immediately mingled everywhere and created their human/other breed hybrids etc... whereas didn't the old races keep themselves more or less to themselves.


Depends when exactly did humans arrive, before or after the whole empire falling and taint smashing magnagora?
Aiakon2006-02-25 16:34:00
Hmm. Yeah. That more or less screws that theory.
Diamondais2006-02-25 16:38:05
They came with Estarra, whom arrived after we began to rebuild. From the historys we have it looks like no race had trouble speaking to each other before the arrival of the humans
Aiakon2006-02-25 16:40:49
Did they speak in Common though? Or in one widely known racial language. When we speak across the aetherways we understand each other irrespective of language... if the Trill had always communicated that way they'd never have needed to formulate a language in the first place.
Sidra2006-02-25 18:17:32
The histories mentions an "ancient language" which is where D'varsha got his name (from non-merians). Its possible that either Common is that language, or that is the language spoken before humans arrived... which I think is more likely... since, if we were still speaking that language, he woud be called "The Teacher" not "D'varsha"
ferlas2006-02-25 18:37:25
Ah yes remember the bit about dwarfs they wernt called that until humans came along.

But then non of the histories show anyone having any trouble communicating, could be common was brought by the humans or everyone in the history was talking in old common ie the old name of the dwarfs, and everyone now days are talking new common thats been mixed with slang from the humans and general aging of a language.