Narsrim2006-02-22 17:58:25
Unknown2006-02-22 18:22:39
Unknown2006-02-22 19:20:24
It looks to me like your system needs a little bit of work. First of all, I know this is Ethelon's system and it's designed for anyone to use, but you should do a bit of tweaking to it. Things like trying to invoke summer and focus mind make things confusing even if you don't actually use balance or EQ for it.
Second, it doesn't seem to track afflictions very well. Take a look at this, for example:
EDIT: This looks like an illusion, so it's a bad example. I'll go back and look at the log for a better one. Still an echo message or something would be nice.
Also, your system could use some work on things like elixir balance:
Unless you put that DRINK HEALTH in manually (which it looks like you might have), you should take a look at balance timers as well.
Second, it doesn't seem to track afflictions very well. Take a look at this, for example:
QUOTE
A violent tremor rocks the land, causing the earth to shake and the ground to
buck beneath your feet.
You remove 1 calamus, bringing the total in the Rift to 95.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You eat a calamus root.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.stand
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You must have two legs to do that.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
The scurrying of rats can be heard over the whistling of the wind.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You must have two legs to do that.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
look
Hmm. Why is everything so difficult to figure out?
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may apply another salve to yourself.apply mending to legs
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
Within a row of columns.
The corrosiveness of the taint sickens the land. The stars twinkle in the clear
night sky. Rows of narrow, black columns climb to the ceiling, each one as thick
as a large tree and carved with intricate runes that pulse with an eerie red
light. Flickering torches hang at the six feet mark, encircling the columns in a
ring of fiery light which tosses odd shadows along the ground. The unreliable
lighting continually highlights and then hides several smaller holes in the
ground designed to snap the ankles of the unwary. A huge archdemon looms here,
surrounded by black mist. A taint wyrm is coiled on the ground here, spoiling
the air with its corrosive stench. A stinking noxious cloud floats here.
A duststorm obscures the rest of your vision.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-drink health
n
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.
The bones in your left leg mend.stand
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You take a drink from an emerald vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
There is no exit in that direction.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdb-
With a cold smile, a hideous archdemon digs his claws into the flesh of Tzara,
who screams in agony.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdb-
buck beneath your feet.
You remove 1 calamus, bringing the total in the Rift to 95.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You eat a calamus root.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.stand
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You must have two legs to do that.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
The scurrying of rats can be heard over the whistling of the wind.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You must have two legs to do that.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
look
Hmm. Why is everything so difficult to figure out?
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may apply another salve to yourself.apply mending to legs
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
Within a row of columns.
The corrosiveness of the taint sickens the land. The stars twinkle in the clear
night sky. Rows of narrow, black columns climb to the ceiling, each one as thick
as a large tree and carved with intricate runes that pulse with an eerie red
light. Flickering torches hang at the six feet mark, encircling the columns in a
ring of fiery light which tosses odd shadows along the ground. The unreliable
lighting continually highlights and then hides several smaller holes in the
ground designed to snap the ankles of the unwary. A huge archdemon looms here,
surrounded by black mist. A taint wyrm is coiled on the ground here, spoiling
the air with its corrosive stench. A stinking noxious cloud floats here.
A duststorm obscures the rest of your vision.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-drink health
n
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.
The bones in your left leg mend.stand
1067h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You take a drink from an emerald vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
There is no exit in that direction.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdb-
With a cold smile, a hideous archdemon digs his claws into the flesh of Tzara,
who screams in agony.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdb-
EDIT: This looks like an illusion, so it's a bad example. I'll go back and look at the log for a better one. Still an echo message or something would be nice.
Also, your system could use some work on things like elixir balance:
QUOTE
You take a drink from an emerald vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
There is no exit in that direction.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdb-
With a cold smile, a hideous archdemon digs his claws into the flesh of Tzara,
who screams in agony.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdb-
A deep, foreboding hum emanates from the tainted earth, and then you are
suddenly slammed into the ground by an irresistable force.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may apply another salve to yourself.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You are no longer stunned.
*** NO MORE STUN! ***
*** NO MORE STUN! ***
wake
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-drink health
You bleed 25 health.
1605h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
Dust clouds rise as the earth shifts and sharp rocks slide and bounce, some
flying into the air. You yelp in pain as several of them smash into you,
bruising your flesh and cutting your skin.
996h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You already are awake.
996h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You take a drink from an emerald vial.
The potion flows down your throat without effect.
996h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
The potion heals and soothes you.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
There is no exit in that direction.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdb-
With a cold smile, a hideous archdemon digs his claws into the flesh of Tzara,
who screams in agony.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdb-
A deep, foreboding hum emanates from the tainted earth, and then you are
suddenly slammed into the ground by an irresistable force.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You may apply another salve to yourself.
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You are no longer stunned.
*** NO MORE STUN! ***
*** NO MORE STUN! ***
wake
1630h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-drink health
You bleed 25 health.
1605h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
Dust clouds rise as the earth shifts and sharp rocks slide and bounce, some
flying into the air. You yelp in pain as several of them smash into you,
bruising your flesh and cutting your skin.
996h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You already are awake.
996h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
You take a drink from an emerald vial.
The potion flows down your throat without effect.
996h, 3313m, 3009e, 10p exkdbp-
Unless you put that DRINK HEALTH in manually (which it looks like you might have), you should take a look at balance timers as well.
Xenthos2006-02-22 19:23:28
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Feb 22 2006, 02:20 PM) 261402
It doesn't look like stupidity caused you too many problems, but I don't see where it was cured at all before you died.
Tzara already said she was using illusions, and that really looks like an illusion to me.
Unknown2006-02-22 19:39:57
QUOTE
Tzara already said she was using illusions, and that really looks like an illusion to me.
Ya, you're right, this was something I had actually noticed in other logs of Balizar, so I was looking for it specifically here. This system seems to track by the affliction line, instead of checking for balance very well. There weren't many examples in here, since Tzara didn't really try to stack too many afflictions. It's in the wrong thread, but since I brought it up here to start with I'll use this example from Bali's fight with Airees:
QUOTE
Airees's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
With a focused look, Airees strikes at you with a master blacksmith's hammer.
Your head snaps back as your skull is crushed hard and fractures, causing your
outr arnica
apply arnica to head
outr arnica
apply arnica to head
unparry all
parry head 1
thoughts to spin.
Justice is dealt out and Airees's attack rebounds onto him.
3574h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-apply health to head
With a focused look, Airees strikes at you with a master blacksmith's hammer.
Your head snaps back as your skull is crushed hard and fractures, causing your
outr arnica
apply arnica to head
unparry all
parry head 1
thoughts to spin.
Justice is dealt out and Airees's attack rebounds onto him.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You flip the bird.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
Airees takes a long drag off his pipe.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
Airees eats a reishi mushroom.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
I don't see the container here from which you wish to apply some salve.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You remove 1 arnica, bringing the total in the Rift to 93.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You chew an arnica bud, then spread it on your head.
Your double vision subsides as the breaks in your skull fuse together.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You already are not putting any attention on parrying anything.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your head.
The deep damage in your head partially heals.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You remove 1 arnica, bringing the total in the Rift to 92.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You chew an arnica bud, then spread it on your head.
The arnica bud has no discernable effect.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You already are not putting any attention on parrying anything.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You must regain balance first.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
With a focused look, Airees strikes at you with a master blacksmith's hammer.
Your head snaps back as your skull is crushed hard and fractures, causing your
outr arnica
apply arnica to head
outr arnica
apply arnica to head
unparry all
parry head 1
thoughts to spin.
Justice is dealt out and Airees's attack rebounds onto him.
3574h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-apply health to head
With a focused look, Airees strikes at you with a master blacksmith's hammer.
Your head snaps back as your skull is crushed hard and fractures, causing your
outr arnica
apply arnica to head
unparry all
parry head 1
thoughts to spin.
Justice is dealt out and Airees's attack rebounds onto him.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You flip the bird.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
Airees takes a long drag off his pipe.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
Airees eats a reishi mushroom.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
I don't see the container here from which you wish to apply some salve.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You remove 1 arnica, bringing the total in the Rift to 93.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You chew an arnica bud, then spread it on your head.
Your double vision subsides as the breaks in your skull fuse together.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You already are not putting any attention on parrying anything.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your head.
The deep damage in your head partially heals.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You remove 1 arnica, bringing the total in the Rift to 92.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You chew an arnica bud, then spread it on your head.
The arnica bud has no discernable effect.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You already are not putting any attention on parrying anything.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
You must regain balance first.
3399h, 2804m, 2574e, 10p ek-
Here it never checks if you've already used arnica, it just attempts to cure based on the trigger message instead of tracking afflitions and balances well.
Unknown2006-02-22 22:06:22
*ponder*
*advances towards ethelon*
*stabs him in the eye then runs like hell*
Hrm, I guess I can start to fix some of these things, but I did pay 50 credits for the system. *mutter*
Thanks Mitbulls
*advances towards ethelon*
*stabs him in the eye then runs like hell*
Hrm, I guess I can start to fix some of these things, but I did pay 50 credits for the system. *mutter*
Thanks Mitbulls
Narsrim2006-02-22 23:23:50
I find from personal experience that being wasteful has its advantages with salve applications because when you apply a salve and don't have an affliction that salve cures, it doesn't take salve-balance so you can instantly apply again.
Of course in the example above, the person has 92 arnica left - probably not the best idea... but I try to keep 1k of every herb and it usually works out not to mention its often a neat shortcut to achieve something that would otherwise take real work.
Of course in the example above, the person has 92 arnica left - probably not the best idea... but I try to keep 1k of every herb and it usually works out not to mention its often a neat shortcut to achieve something that would otherwise take real work.
Cwin2006-02-23 01:28:06
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 22 2006, 06:23 PM) 261455
I find from personal experience that being wasteful has its advantages with salve applications because when you apply a salve and don't have an affliction that salve cures, it doesn't take salve-balance so you can instantly apply again.
Of course in the example above, the person has 92 arnica left - probably not the best idea... but I try to keep 1k of every herb and it usually works out not to mention its often a neat shortcut to achieve something that would otherwise take real work.
There's truth there, actually. It's actually not a bad thing to eat 5 pennyroyals just to cure stupidity, but it IS a bad thing to not cure stupidity.
What hurts is wasted Balance, be it balance, equilibrium, herb, salve, so on. Each wasted herb balance is another step closer to dying, while every equibrium wasted brings you closer to Step 1 (and, by how it seems for Guardians, they especially can't afford to do that too much)
Narsrim2006-02-23 01:52:32
My dear Cwin, observe:
No afflictions:
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-apply mending to legs
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.
The salve has no discernable effect.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
2 broken arms
The bough you're standing on suddenly tilts and branches forcibly hurl you out
of the tree, sending you tumbling to the forest floor.
You cease to wield an athame dagger.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your arms.
The bones in your right arm mend.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
You may apply another salve to yourself.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
diag
You are:
hated by the trees.
blind.
deaf.
afflicted by a crippled left arm.
an insomniac.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w xkdb<>-
You chew an arnica bud, then spread it on your head.
The arnica bud has no discernable effect. X
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your arms.
The bones in your left arm mend.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
The point I was making is there is a special exception with salves. Using a salve when you do not have an affliction that a specific salve cures does NOT takes salve-balance thus you lose only the application.
At the point I have marked X, you will see I have a broken arm. I apply arnica to my head and then apply mending to my arms (I wouldn't normally do this of course, this is just for testing purposes). The arnica application doesn't take salve balance so I can still immediately apply mending and cure the affliction.
While 1 arnica was wasted, there is no decrease in curing speed.
QUOTE
No afflictions:
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-apply mending to legs
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.
The salve has no discernable effect.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
QUOTE
2 broken arms
The bough you're standing on suddenly tilts and branches forcibly hurl you out
of the tree, sending you tumbling to the forest floor.
You cease to wield an athame dagger.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your arms.
The bones in your right arm mend.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
You may apply another salve to yourself.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
diag
You are:
hated by the trees.
blind.
deaf.
afflicted by a crippled left arm.
an insomniac.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w xkdb<>-
You chew an arnica bud, then spread it on your head.
The arnica bud has no discernable effect. X
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your arms.
The bones in your left arm mend.
3741h, 5136m, 3741e, 10p, 24580w exkdb<>-
The point I was making is there is a special exception with salves. Using a salve when you do not have an affliction that a specific salve cures does NOT takes salve-balance thus you lose only the application.
At the point I have marked X, you will see I have a broken arm. I apply arnica to my head and then apply mending to my arms (I wouldn't normally do this of course, this is just for testing purposes). The arnica application doesn't take salve balance so I can still immediately apply mending and cure the affliction.
While 1 arnica was wasted, there is no decrease in curing speed.
Ethelon2006-02-24 02:19:50
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Feb 22 2006, 02:39 PM) 261409
Ya, you're right, this was something I had actually noticed in other logs of Balizar, so I was looking for it specifically here. This system seems to track by the affliction line, instead of checking for balance very well. There weren't many examples in here, since Tzara didn't really try to stack too many afflictions. It's in the wrong thread, but since I brought it up here to start with I'll use this example from Bali's fight with Airees:
Here it never checks if you've already used arnica, it just attempts to cure based on the trigger message instead of tracking afflitions and balances well.
That may be my free system, but there is no way that's my full system.
Cwin2006-02-24 02:51:20
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 22 2006, 08:52 PM) 261525
The point I was making is there is a special exception with salves. Using a salve when you do not have an affliction that a specific salve cures does NOT takes salve-balance thus you lose only the application.
At the point I have marked X, you will see I have a broken arm. I apply arnica to my head and then apply mending to my arms (I wouldn't normally do this of course, this is just for testing purposes). The arnica application doesn't take salve balance so I can still immediately apply mending and cure the affliction.
While 1 arnica was wasted, there is no decrease in curing speed.
Narsrim.. I wasn't arguing against you, just using your point to bring another one up.
The important thing in a fight is your balance. As such, anything that doesn't bother your balance should be used to advantage. Salves are a perfect example of this. So is hypereating goldenseal when you KNOW you have to eat at least one. Standing up after Stun is yet another, since standing takes no balance and can give ALOT of information.
Sidenote: There's one catch to this and that's client input. By that I mean making your client perform 50 actions WILL slow you down a bit and scroll the screen. As such, you don't want TOO many things happening that aren't useful. It's that very reason that's making me switch from this unknown JMC client to Zmud, by the by, since I had a MAJOR problem with scrolling.
Rakor2006-02-24 11:15:30
QUOTE(Cwin @ Feb 23 2006, 09:51 PM) 261865
goldenseal
Kharvik2006-02-24 12:23:50
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 22 2006, 12:27 PM) 261359
Nature so needs Quickening *duck*
Isn't there an enchantment for it? I seem to recall it on the skillset list.
Shiri2006-02-24 12:28:20
QUOTE(Kharvik @ Feb 24 2006, 12:23 PM) 261929
Isn't there an enchantment for it? I seem to recall it on the skillset list.
No. I WISH. 
Kharvik2006-02-24 12:45:03
The quickening ability in the Enchantment skill is unknown to you.
Guess I was seeing things, again
Guess I was seeing things, again
Unknown2006-02-24 12:54:56
your getting old astro cat. 
Cwin2006-02-24 17:12:19
QUOTE(Rakor @ Feb 24 2006, 06:15 AM) 261922
ARRGG! I knew I would make that mistake someday. Pennyroyal, Pennyroyal!!
Sidenote: My alias for eating sparkleberry is 'moss'
Narsrim2006-02-24 17:20:12
QUOTE(Cwin @ Feb 24 2006, 12:12 PM) 261965
ARRGG! I knew I would make that mistake someday. Pennyroyal, Pennyroyal!!
Sidenote: My alias for eating sparkleberry is 'moss'
I use elixlist instead of potionlist
Unknown2006-02-24 17:41:48
I often catch myself referring to poisons as venoms
Xenthos2006-02-24 17:43:30
QUOTE(Woot_Aranya @ Feb 24 2006, 12:41 PM) 261971
I often catch myself referring to poisons as venoms
Well... envenom probably doesn't help you with remembering that they are generally not referred to as venoms.
