Unknown2006-02-28 03:16:15
There are a number of artifacts that should be removed based on the arguments stated here.
Get rid of the regeneration runes, because makes being a loboshigaru pointless.
Get rid of the 15% stat increase runes because makes having the Tosha blessing pointless.
Get rid of the weapon runes because only warriors use them
Get rid of the magic damage increase because warriors can't use them
Not everyone buys artifacts, and if someone wants to spend money to buy wings for their character so they can fly, when it isn't unbalancing in any shape or form, why shouldn't they?
Get rid of the regeneration runes, because makes being a loboshigaru pointless.
Get rid of the 15% stat increase runes because makes having the Tosha blessing pointless.
Get rid of the weapon runes because only warriors use them
Get rid of the magic damage increase because warriors can't use them
Not everyone buys artifacts, and if someone wants to spend money to buy wings for their character so they can fly, when it isn't unbalancing in any shape or form, why shouldn't they?
Xenthos2006-02-28 03:25:14
QUOTE(Woot_Aranya @ Feb 27 2006, 10:16 PM) 263226
There are a number of artifacts that should be removed based on the arguments stated here.
Get rid of the regeneration runes, because makes being a loboshigaru pointless.
Mana / Ego regen still work.
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Get rid of the 15% stat increase runes because makes having the Tosha blessing pointless.
Stacks with Tosha.
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Get rid of the weapon runes because only warriors use them
Warriors were also created and designed to need them. The runes can go if weapon caps are increased significantly (and customization would make them non-decay and reset).
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Get rid of the magic damage increase because warriors can't use them
Okay, though I can't really see why you'd want to do this...
The best example so far is the tumble/roll one in my opinion.
Saran2006-02-28 04:33:20
QUOTE(ferlas @ Feb 28 2006, 05:18 AM) 263023
And yes you are wrong. I have no use for weapon runes being a wiccan, im sure guardians have no use for weapon runes and im pretty sure mages and druids don’t either, and as far as I know weapon runes aren’t trade specific artifacts.
And yes as you can see Aranya, a wiccan who as you have said repeatedly can already learn to fly, has infact said she would buy an artifact that let her fly much like a racial fly, which would be better than her current flying abilities for obvious reasons.
Artifacts increase our skill or abilities in different areas, a flying artifact would interestingly enough increase many peoples ability to fly saran in case you missed that point before.
Your only argument seems to be you can already get a form of flying, well so what? Ixion has a lovely little sacrifice artifact but two guilds can already do that, I could buy an artifact to increase my magical damage, but you know what I can also get in game blessings to do the exact thing, it doesn’t make that artifact useless does it?
As you have pointed out everyone can get flying via riding or guild skills, with this artifact everyone could get a better form of flying. And as everyone knows flying isn’t amazingly hard to stop, it isn’t overpowered in anyway. So Im just asking this again whats the problem with putting in a flying artifact? What do you actually have against a flying artifact at all?
Come on say why your against it this is the ideas forum be constructive...Unlike... the hot topic Richter
Need I point out that technically you can use weapon runes to increase your abilities. Just because your skills are designed not to need them doesn't mean that you couldn't use them.
Artifacts that increase our abilities stack with our natural ones, you already can get past most of your racial disadvantages and they work more like a sliding scale (meaning that when you stack all possible advantages together the races with the natural advantage should always come out on top (i.e precedent for racial advantage always existing)).
Now I'm waiting for arguements like "aww I want to be stronger in the forest even though I'm a citydweller" As I said before, those with Racial or (non-wiccan) guild flight have the singular advantage that dismounting doesn't send them plummeting down to the ground... thats it... thats what your willing to pay possible the equivalent of a reincarnation or more for.
EDIT: Actually... I'm more than happy for you to get the artifact. Aslong as it cancels out the brooch of the tempest otherwise you would effectivley have all possible advantages given to those who got flight through skill or race, and currently that shouldn't happen unless you have the same race/guild and artifact comination as another person.
EDIT PART 2 : Oh and my "double trade skill" thing was mean't to point out your asking for an artifact so that everyone can get something that while technically they can get, they just can't get the best version of it. I.e I can't get two trade skills here but because in the other games I can, I want an artifact to give me it.
And to clarify in Achaea there are three flight artifacts
Atavian Wings: 2000 credits
- Lets you fly to a room ABOVE where the eagle's wings take you, with
more exits. You can also reach 'On the clouds.'
Eagle's Wings: 800 credits
- Lets you fly to 'On the clouds' where there are exits connecting
directly (and thus very quickly!) to places across the lands.
Ring of Flying: 400 credits
- Lets you fly like an Atavian.
The first two are the equivalents of the Cubix/Prism, and before you take this and run with it. Achaea has artifacts that let you get many racial/guild abilities. There is even one 550 credit artifact that replaces the level 80 bonus
Acrune2006-02-28 04:49:09
QUOTE(Wesmin @ Feb 27 2006, 08:41 PM) 263167
pssh, waterbourne is defence against hostile waters.
Waves arn't hostile, waves are the hugs of the sea!
They're hostile when they throw me out of my demesne and/or into Magnagoran guards.
Saran2006-02-28 04:56:33
aww...
And a small observation. There is no artifact that gives you an ability and for these purposes flight should count as an ability
And a small observation. There is no artifact that gives you an ability and for these purposes flight should count as an ability
Narsrim2006-02-28 05:01:07
Artifact Patches (in response to Ferlas) may be attached to great robes or splendor robes:
Patch Type #1: Stat Mods
+5 blunt, +5 cut - 250 credits
+10 blunt, +10 cut - 500 credits
+15 blunt, +15 cut - 1000 credits
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Patch Type #2: Wounding
+5% wounding shield - 250 credits
+10% wounding shield - 500 credits
+15% wounding shield - 1000 credits
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Patch Type #3:
+5% influencing bonus - 250 credits
+10% influencing bonus - 500 credits
+15% influencing bonus - 1000 credits
Patch Type #1: Stat Mods
+5 blunt, +5 cut - 250 credits
+10 blunt, +10 cut - 500 credits
+15 blunt, +15 cut - 1000 credits
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Patch Type #2: Wounding
+5% wounding shield - 250 credits
+10% wounding shield - 500 credits
+15% wounding shield - 1000 credits
==============================================
Patch Type #3:
+5% influencing bonus - 250 credits
+10% influencing bonus - 500 credits
+15% influencing bonus - 1000 credits
Xenthos2006-02-28 05:04:13
Non-decay armour with runes that can get its stats equal to / better than field plate. I'm definitely switchin'.
Narsrim2006-02-28 05:07:20
Yes, it could get stas beter to or equal to field plate FOR 1000 CREDITS. So no, I don't think you will.
Xenthos2006-02-28 05:14:15
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 28 2006, 12:07 AM) 263307
Yes, it could get stas beter to or equal to field plate FOR 1000 CREDITS. So no, I don't think you will.
I spent 900 on a stupid vial worth 5, so why not?
Edit: Oh, wait, it's worth 40!
Saran2006-02-28 05:21:04
QUOTE(Woot_Aranya @ Feb 28 2006, 02:16 PM) 263226
There are a number of artifacts that should be removed based on the arguments stated here.
Get rid of the regeneration runes, because makes being a loboshigaru pointless.
Get rid of the 15% stat increase runes because makes having the Tosha blessing pointless.
Get rid of the weapon runes because only warriors use them
Get rid of the magic damage increase because warriors can't use them
Not everyone buys artifacts, and if someone wants to spend money to buy wings for their character so they can fly, when it isn't unbalancing in any shape or form, why shouldn't they?
Firstly my arguement is that even though you wouldn't use them, you could. Also a Lobo should be able to increase their regen with the runes.
And it is simply unfair, You decide "Hey, I'll go Trill or Faeling. Even though other races might suit me better for one reason or other (ok faelings do rule influencing) but i would like the ability to fly." Suddenly that advantage is replaced by an artifact (and again i state) that has no similar artifacts at all.
And also remember that there were arguements earlier that Wiccans shouldn't be better in the forests, Is that any different from arguing that races who can naturally fly shouldn't have this slight advantage in the sky?
Unknown2006-02-28 05:25:10
If there becomes a fly artifact, I want an artifact that allows me to breathe poison gas like viscanti. That would make my demesne so much more fun.
Narsrim2006-02-28 05:28:01
QUOTE(Unidentified Cheesecake @ Feb 28 2006, 12:25 AM) 263318
If there becomes a fly artifact, I want an artifact that allows me to breathe poison gas like viscanti. That would make my demesne so much more fun.
Screw that, I want an artifact that makes me *immune* to poison gas.
Xenthos2006-02-28 05:30:11
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 28 2006, 12:28 AM) 263319
Screw that, I want an artifact that makes me *immune* to poison gas.
Actually, that would be pretty neat too! *coughs*
I suppose it's called a Dagger of Reincarnation -> Viscanti.
Unknown2006-02-28 05:33:05
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Feb 27 2006, 09:30 PM) 263321
Actually, that would be pretty neat too! *coughs*
I suppose it's called a Dagger of Reincarnation -> Viscanti.
Wouldn't that argument apply to the people who want wings for their characters?
Dagger of Reincarnation -> Trill or Faeling?
Xenthos2006-02-28 05:35:59
QUOTE(Unidentified Cheesecake @ Feb 28 2006, 12:33 AM) 263324
Wouldn't that argument apply to the people who want wings for their characters?
Dagger of Reincarnation -> Trill or Faeling?
That, or QUIT GUILD, JOIN EBONGUARD, SKILLCHOICE SELECT CROW, CROW CLOAK. There are at least TWICE as many options for flying as for being immune to poison gas.
Saran2006-02-28 05:36:20
@Cheesecake yes, and in the end probably cheaper
Xenthos2006-02-28 05:41:57
Joining the Ebonguard or Blacktalon is the cheapest option yet. 180 lessons gets you flight!
Shiri2006-02-28 06:03:34
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Feb 28 2006, 05:41 AM) 263329
Joining the Ebonguard or Blacktalon is the cheapest option yet. 180 lessons gets you flight!
Same for Wiccans, though, and ours is in a primary skillset!
Xenthos2006-02-28 06:09:53
QUOTE(Shiri @ Feb 28 2006, 01:03 AM) 263335
Same for Wiccans, though, and ours is in a primary skillset!
Come on, everyone masters totems.
Unknown2006-02-28 13:25:13
I'm against the idea of artifact wings (though I don't really care much).
Greatrobes patches sound nice, could add elemental resistance runes to that. However, for the sake of fairness, they would prolly work for armour too.
Greatrobes patches sound nice, could add elemental resistance runes to that. However, for the sake of fairness, they would prolly work for armour too.