Yes I can use a weapon rune to increase my abilites, a hunting warrior can also get an artifact to increasee the magic damage he would do, both are utterly useless, And a loboshigaru can buy health regeneration runes they are uselss to him I don't see this point in your arguement here explain it in more depth.




First of all I can fly, buying artifact wings would increase my ability to fly. Artifact wings would then effectivly "stack" with my current abilites

Artifact wings would not stack with everyones abilites such as trill or faeling.

Health regeneration runes would stack with my abilites.
Health regeneration runes would not stack with everyones abilites such as a loboshigarus abilites.

Paying for credits to get tumble would not help me
Paying for credits to get tumble would help everyone who isnt a furrikin

I fail to see the point your making again can you explain more?



Thats exactly the point. People who can fly already ie flying mount, mounting a broom, are willing to pay to buy an artifact to increase their flying skills a bit more. Such as people who dont have level three health regeneration are willing to pay to get closer to level three health regeneration.




I dont understand what you mean here either can you explain a bit more.



Ah fair enough, the difference I saw was that having two trade skills is very benefical and could be overpowering, having the best form of flight dosnt seem that benefical or overpoewring at all.



Yup and all of thoese artifacts are fine and dont overpower anyone at all really, If people want to pay to have the level 80 bonus before level 80 why not it dosnt hurt anyone.



Exactly

Tumble=roll=flight artifact=racial fly

Having a racial fly means the flight artifact is useless
Having roll means the tumble skill is useless
Same thing

But I thought roll was the exact same as tumble to be honest, roll seems generally better than tumble because its a size 6 person with increased balance using it. And most people using tumble are size 12+ without any balance increase, I mean faelings tumble faster than I roll because of their balance and size.




Why wouldn't warriors be able to use the patches as well though +15 armour for 1000 credits for everyone regardless of class kind of thing?

Ok, if a moondancer wanted to take up a sword and put great runes on it there is nothing stoping them just because by design it mightn't be a good idea doesn't mean that the artifact is 100% useless



You missed the point, It is unfair that someone who buys the same ammount of artifacts as another doesn't end up with their racial advantages providing even a minute advantage
If your going to have a pair of wings and the ability to not be knocked around by wind suddenly the racial advantage is reduced to a credit value, the first edit meaning that if your going to have flight there has to be some disadvantage to be fair to those who earned flight through guild or racial choice.

EDIT: Think of looking at your racial/guild skills and saying "Hey i save X credits by choosing this race and guild combination over choosing this combination, I think I'll choose this one even though It means a few more credits to get all the abilities I like the rp or whatever"



Again you seem to miss the point, I believe i remember posts about removing wiccan advantages in the forests (wisping, flowing, etc) a faeling or trill in the skies should have some form of advantage, Just like a druid or a wiccan has an advantage in the forest.



So... the best form of flight shouldn't be reserved for those who have made the choice to get it via race or guild, But simply available to anyone willing to pay? I'm really trying to not lash out here. Your a shadowdancer furrikin
so your advantages are

ADVANTAGES:
o Can ROLL under obstacles.
o Recover balance more quickly, level 1.
o Recover equilibrium more quickly, level 1.
o Faster herb balance, level 1.
o Resistance to magic, level 3.
o Resistance to cold, level 1.

DISADVANTAGES:
o Are more susceptible to fire, level 1.

So you've got magic and cold resistance, better balance/equilibrium/herb recovery. Plus you can roll and as a shadowdancer you get flight in your guild skills.
Perhaps a cheap artifact that due to it's un-natural morphing of the body does not return after death. I.E your race never had wings and shouldn't but you've forced it upon yourself. Through death the will that held the un-natural form together is broken and the wings disappear.

We should have the Wings of Isune as an artifact...

I mean there is allready ingame presidence for this...



Wings only sold at Her fulcrux

I think Isune wouldn't sell those, but give them perhaps. And not to anyone who wants it.

God feelings:
You have been blessed by Isune with Wings for 48 hours.

*cackle*

Also: In a completely unrelated note, I hate this thread for making me sing that line of that song every bloody time. Thank you.

This would irritate me a lot if it happened, why? Because I reincarnated so I could -get- wings. If you want wings, join a guild that gives em, if you want flight join a guild who gives it, if you want to dance in the skies reincarnate into a Faeling or Trill. Neither race -sucks- both have good dexterity if youre against warriors, Faelings are hella fast and Trills are the same as Elfen. Also, Faelings are good for webbing, Trills are small enough to be fairly good against it. Each have their ways of being balanced.

So, Im against this ever happening.

*grumbles about having to reincarnate for them and people wanting to introduce an artifact*

that or purchase a cameo.

Hmm...forgot about that, good point. Look people, theres your artifact that grants you wings! Why, look at it, it even grants you every racial bonus. Whats the catch you say? You can only change your race once a IG month.

You know, if we got an artifact of flying, it would probably be 400 like in Achaea. It takes less than 300 to get flying in Riding (plus a good bit of gold). And you get nifty riding skills too.

only flying mounts I know of cost 250K... and your going to need to buy the 250 credit arfitact so it doesn't die on you when some newbie gets bored.

Hence a disadvantage of not choosing a race or guild with flight

however a mount is not a method to flight, it just happens to be one of its many abilities... so its not really comparable. (as apposed to say, crow which requires flight for many of its skills to work)

And brooms are just buggy.

I think a flying artifact would be well-received, and there really aren't too many logical objections.

Yes, I'm going to be slightly annoyed as another uniquifying (its a word, I swear) characteristic of Faelings is lost... but its not enough reason to deny the poor people without a chance at flight

I have to agree. I'm a dancer and can already fly with broom, but I don't see any problem with an artifact that allowed flight. It might take away one of the unique factors of faelings, but it isn't imbalancing in any way, and most of the population would receive it well. It would likely sell pretty well, and there aren't any strong balance problems with it.

For instance, fully one-fifth of Dramube bashing is in the air. People without flying just don't have an option.

So the creatures in Dramube knock you of flying mounts?

Also it means that Faelings and Trill lose the ability to try and make someone dismount midair, So if a faeling is sparring/fighting a wiccan and they follow them into the skies the faelings only current advantage would be it they could make the wiccan dismount. Same with the riding flight ability.
EDIT: Also almost anyone who would be fighting should have a levitation enchant so any damage you might recieve would be nullified.

Also I don't get what Daganev said about Flying mounts not being a method of flight. Your in the skies, your flying around on... eagle-back (or whatever), You can land, A hexagram and the other similar abilities are going to knock you down, every normal rule of flying applies, the only thing that is different is that you have the extra disadvantage of having to worry about dismounting.

Yes they do. Riding and a flying mount.

I think it's just discrimination against flying mounts now

I want a really good explanation of how, on a mechanical level (so no "well your not flying the mount is"), racial/guild(unmounted) flight is different to mounted flight

EDIT: I'm really interested to see if there is anything other than "you can be dismounted"

Wait till Hallifax comes out, they'll be selling mechanical wings.