It's much less complicated. And, I'll have you know that the ACP is the only customizable (not to mention free) system for Achaea that I've ever seen. The damn thing comes with a configuration wizard, which means anyone can figure it out if they just read the step-by-step instructions that come with it. How is that not easy?

My point was, however, that Murphy's system is a mish-mash of triggers and aliases, with little organization. It works for him and for others who take quite a bit of time to understand it, but would it work for the scripting newbies? I highly doubt it's going to be customizable or that it even works for those without certain skills for stancing, focusing mind, arm balances, etc.

It's just a counterpoint argument, and I know my system won't perform well under certain situations, either. There's nothing I can say that will stop certain people from purchasing the system, and that's not really my intent. I just want you all to think about what you're getting into before you make the decision.

(If you want to see his echo messages, you just have to find one of the many, many posts with Murphy's combat logs.)

you are correct, I always mention to every potential buyer of my system that they will require certain skills. I didn't design a system for scripting newbies, no-one is going to be good at combat if they don't know their way aroudn Zmud. I'm more than happy to help out but i do not reccomend anyone who doesn't have a basic knowledge of zmud to buy it.

Arm balances don't matter for my system, focus mind is only used to break out of an anorexia/asthma lock and its cutomisable to work at varying levels of mana if you want that exxtra curing help that focus mind can provide.

I personally don't have anything against Zarguan or his system (although i'm 100% percent sure that any of my dreadlords, and most of the ur'guard fighters could take it apart in less than a minute, thats my opinion only) So i dunno why i get a harsh vibe from all his posts in this thread, am I paranoid? did I do something to you IC that you hate me for?

As for my system, it works and it works well for those who want it to. If anyone expects to take a curing system, load it up and it to make them instantly good is kidding themselves, you have to learn your way around combat and you have to learn how your system works so you can A. fix any little thing that goes wrong with it and B. make your own modifications.

EDIT: A mish mash of triggers and aliases? come now you can be nicer than that.

EDIT: It shouldn't take a person of average intelligence to work out how my system runs, your arguement to it taking 'quite a bit of time' can only apply to someone who doesn't know how to code at all. Coding in zmud is rediculously easy, you don't need to know any real languages and all the things you do need are in zmud tutorials.

Heh, yup - the ACP, the only system in Achaean history that you needed to either have all of your skills and equipment in a text file or be on telnet at the time to configure...

And I was talking more about adding new things to work with your system instead of using the wizard to give the basic basics.

To answer your concerns:

Yes, Murphy has rubbed me the wrong way many times in the game and also from reading posts here on the forums. So, I have to admit that I don't like you and it affects my judgement. It also just burns me up to see someone who has spent plenty of money on the game, gotten himself to be as powerful as he feels he can be, and then he sells his system to boost himself to even higher heights. I'm jealous because I have no money to spend on the game and I get by -only- on selling scripts, which really sucks.

Go ahead and bash the ACP, if you like, too. It's free. It is far too advanced for any scripting newbie. It is open source and easy enough to pull apart for anyone who can read a help file. It integrates well with anyone's existing settings. If you're willing to learn how to hack and fix a system like Murphy's, Amaru's, or Thorgal's, you should have no trouble at all hacking and fixing a text-file imported system, either.

Don't buy my system. It just means I don't have to work on supporting it.

I feel like throwing my 2 cents in as normal so here goes:

While important, a combat system isn't the end-all, be-all of combat. While it certainly will get you past the initially barriers, the most complicated and advanced systems are also easy to take advantage of in certain situations.

Thorgal, for example, has a great system. Munsia uses his system, and there are only 2-3 out there that can truly beat her 1-on-1 outside of sheer luck or a 2-hit behead. However, there are all sorts of lovely loops you can send this system into that I discovered accidently just testing with her that will totally destroy anyone using it (my favorite being the stand-loop). Likewise, Terenas discovered some flaw in the parry/stancing that made beheads easy.

Anyhoo, the point is simply that all systems are imperfect. My system certainly is utter garbage compared to most people. However, I'm comfortable with my system. I know the limitations. I know how to work around the limitations.

That being said, I am interested in purchasing a Zmud system as I in fact don't use Zmud, but given the raw ability it has over my current client, it seems worthwhile. While I am still partially undecided, the arguments being made in thread are silly. I'm sure both Murphy and Zarquan have good systems as both have a history at making good systems.

However... Zarquan's system seems more oriented towards people who may not have the strongest background scripting in Zmud. This is appealing because that is typically the reason why people purchase a system - they lack the foundation to build their own - of course, that's just my opinion.

If i knew who you were in game i might have an idea as to what i've done to you...whatever i did I certainly didn't mean to cause you any OOC grief unless you taunted me, so accept a blind apology if i really pissed you off.

And I haven't spent much money on lusternia, the -only- artifacts i own are my weapons and 1 gem of cloaking.

full respect to thorgal, i've seen his system and it is very well organised, sorted and all that jazz. I too discovered a few bugs with it, but more importantly i recognised the parry and stancing so well, that i could tell someone had his system in the first few combos of fighting, but i will say thorgal makes a good system, and is well worth the 100 cr he charged.

My system was better against knights, whereas his was probably better against guardians -shrug- I only charge 50 credits for mine, as its not as customisable and 'plug and play' as thorgal's is.

I actually bought Thorgals system because I was too lazy to code my own...I more like refining the edges instead of coding it from the ground. So I just changed everything in the system to what I wanted and got the basic curing pretty nice. At the moment I am working on Astrology and that's a bit annoying, the rest's cool though.

oh yah i forgot to mention as well, i sell my base system for 40 credits if people want to save, but it's sold on the basis of the base system to build on for yourself.

What I've done in the past, and will still agree to, is sell my system for half price to anyone who doesn't want ANY support for it and just wants a copy of the scripts.

great, make your own thread and advertise....topic leech!!!

Nah it's ok, its relevant both systems are good i suppose not that i've seen yours in action but i assume its ok.

Anyway, let me know if anyone is keen on the system, if you're Magnagorian and let me know you're keen on learning how to fight then let me know and i'll spend some time teaching you how to best play your class.

Offer extends to Glomdoring as well.

I did make my own thread, before this one even. However, I am not so renowned as you (at least, not in Lusternia), and so my thread receives much less attention. I didn't come here to advertise, though. I came here to comment on your own system. The advertisement was just a side bonus. Anyway, sorry for the trouble, and good luck with the sales/support.

in case you didn't pick it, i was joking about the topic leech thing!

How cute, they kissed and made up. There goes your rep, Murphster

The ACP is pretty damn complex no doubt there, I doubt that 99% of Lusternia's major combatants would ever be able to code anything remotely that complex (or even wish to ).

That being said, I've fought against some of the best healers on Lusternia and Geb's, Thorgal's, and Daevos' systems are visibly the best. Geb's system is more intuitive and customized for his own needs and Thorgal's system is very well refined especially for the purpose of mass-marketing. Daevos' system I really have no idea since he rarely ever posted any unedited logs and keeps entirely to himself.

Thorgal wasn't a great fighter but his system was obviously very good (even Zarquan recommended it) so it goes to show that you don't have to be a great fighter to possess a great healing system.

That being said, for 50 credits it'll be worth it to purchase Murphy's system if you're a knight to use as is, but for any other classes you'll be better off buying it just for the amusing echos.

Psh I'm not an OOC asshole to everyone all the time, just a lot of the time when my agent orange acts up -twitch-

I should redevelop some echoes, i've been writing some of them down for humour value.

I'm not the fastest arrow in the quiver so it's possible this has been answered and I just didn't notice it. Murphy, is your system only good if you have a basic knowledge of zmud coding? I have to admit, i've done some coding when I was younger but zmud confuses the living hell out of me. Created my own system from scratch once and ended up eating 6k galingale in one shot, needless to say it wasn't fun. I like to purchase systems and see which ones work best for me and on occassion i've been intelligent enough to puzzle out how to do some simple functions or targetting triggers but i'm at best a two day old newb instead of a brand new newb however if your system is best used by someone who knows how to use zmud it would be best for me to find out before I buy it.