Let's say your body is sitting in the Glomdoring or in Magnagora... it may have been eaten or offered. You walk your happy little soul to Celest and someone sacrifices for you. Considering that Magnagora generally does eat corpses as fast as they can due to resurgem, it's the only option (and generally safer, if you sacrifice in Celest they're not gonna come after you, plus you conglutinate).

I'm not sure I can agree with vitae or grace really. The 1 hp thing seems overkill as well. Have Sac go through vitae (wait, does it leave a body for the Sacrificer?), the person come back with max hp, no defs, and leave grace out of it.

I like the idea of the whole Conglut matter though: If the soul makes it to Celest then everyone suffers minimum penalties.

oh, I thought their other skill needed corpse or soul... I geuss it's corpse for that one, and soul for sacrifice then.

Right.

Eh, that reasoning works I guess. I still think it's a bit weird to give them 1 hp and grace, while it's obvious they will be back at full health within a few seconds.

Meh, whatever. Don't care enough about this issue to argue.

You know what we need to do since Murphy has stated that Lich use to give grace but sacrifice gives grace now and he wants some fairness lets just make a list of what each does and the type of lost and gain you get from each.

From what I know here is what you gain and lose from Sacrifice, your loses are:

*10 or 1 power depending on who it is.
*Small our large amount of experience lose.
*Both parties defs.
*Chance of losing more experience as a soul.

You gain:
* Grace
* One person not losing so much experience.

Now someone add to my list and do one for lich and lets see where we can do make each fair.

Because they're freaking DEAD and someone's munched on the corpse?

Ok, I'm trying to look at this from another angle now...


Lich-soul reforms where it died.(unpreventable)
Vitae-soul reforms where it died.(unpreventable)

1Ressurection-body reforms where the resurrecter is.
2Sacrific-soul reforms where the sacrificer dies.(unpreventable)
3Resurgem-body reforms where the coven is.

4?Transmigration-soul reforms back at your creature.(99% unpreventable)

Conglutination-soul reforms back at home nexus on prime, or portal for rouges.(unpreventable)
Immolation-body reforms at nexus on prime.
Praying-soul reforms at the portal of fate.(unpreventable)


The first two always reform the dead person back into the battle field.
The next four I placed in the order(1-4) of the possibly of the dead person reforming back in the battle field, it's possible, but usually doesn't happen that way.
The last three never reform the dead person back into the battle field(unless their home was under attack, in which case I believe everyone would agree they should have grace anyway).

Given this, it seems that Grace is given to those people most likely not to be brought back on the battle field.

Edit:I moved transmigrate into a group of it's own, as it's sort of a blend, you could either have the animal safe at home, which would be unpreventable, or in battle, which would be highly suicidal.



xiphoid already clarifyed that for me.

Just remember a few things:

* if you don't have natural waterhappiness you can't be sacrifice/resurrected on water. If you do and you're not ninja-fast, you may take damage and die
* critters ignore grace. 1h isn't much for a mob to hit you. So you can't be resurrected during bashing. Lots of Celestians discover this

I am so not Xiphoid.

oh god, i MENT xenthos.... I blame that serenwilde newbie called xinthos, and the fact that I just powerblocked xiphoid for and overdraw, and the fact that it's 11pm and I've been up since 4am...

...and the fact that I'm horrible with names.

Since lichdom and transmigrate prevent praying, can we make it if the victim is sacrificed then we do'nt get suspect either?

Suspect should only be given in cases where the victim prays i believe.

Pretty sure only specifics critters go through grace, like Astral critters and Demon Lords/Supernals. I'm 99% sure gorgogs do not go through grace, not sure about gardeads, but I doubt it as well.

Vitae?

If vitae didn't give suspect it would be stupid.

Someone could kill you on prime, you'd vitae, and they could kill you again, and get suspect(instead of currentally where they'd be venganced)

Vitae would become more of a liability then a help.(in fact, some already see it as such)

I think my response conveyed all of that with a single word. Apparently you got it, at least... though without understanding that's what it meant.

if someone isn't going to be able to touch you for 30 whole RL days no matter how much you taunt them, then bloody oath you should have to pray for that immunity.

Hell i already get like Raizan swanning around saying nah nah you can't kill me no matter what i do as long as i don't hit you.

Bring back the issue system.

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~

But they lose experience when they vitae, or transmigrate (right?), or sacrifice. And I don't believe you get your experience lost during praying back when you call the Avenger.

Apparently your lowbie/newbie quota ins't being filled so something is wrong. *gasp*

Ok, first we have to understand that Lich<>Sacrifice. Lich allows the person to get away without losing any experience. Sacrifice does not save the person rescued from losing experience, the person just does not lose as much as he/she would have if she/he prayed (Even then, it is possible to lose more if the person stands around in soul form too long). Also, you have to consider that the person performing the sacrifice loses experience. Yes, the person could vitae or conglutinate, but the person still loses experience even if the loss is far less than what praying would cause.