Anisu2006-02-28 17:18:20
QUOTE(Murphy @ Feb 28 2006, 06:13 PM) 263450
it totally puts you on the defensive for the whole time infidel is on, i don't like to run away but inquisition FORCES you to run away which is a pain in the ass.
only for like 20 or so seconds. *shrug*
And running when certain dead is near is a good tactic, no dishonour in that! Also you could try keeping the one doing the inquisition stunned/webbed, kill him or something like that. (you can't finish someone elses inquisition can you?)
Though yeah crusify stuff should get a look at.
ferlas2006-02-28 17:29:00
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 28 2006, 05:00 PM) 263443
inquisition is a 12 power skill that has a real chance of failing as it requires 3 steps, making the invested power a waste if it does fail.
you suggesting to accually add a 3 power skill that certainly removes the ability to sacrifice for 20 minutes, really you should see the problem here.
There is by the way a solution to preventing people from getting a sacrifice. Eyesigils, a portable monolith and a greatpentagram are great though expensive.
Inquisition is a 12 power skill that when pulled completly off screws the target up big time and strips defences such as lich, even if it isnt pulled of to the finish the target is still being hit with afflictions so it isnt wasted power. The idea behind the taint its a skill that only effects sacrafice it wont stun the target, it wont afflict the target that is why it would be a lot cheaper than inquisiton. If its used on you and you win the fight then no problem its wasted power.
ie, murphy for example is fighting joe murphy knows joe is going to get sacraficed,eg Joe knows murphy is going to lich and run if he dies.
Joe decieds he dosnt want this to happen to kills murphy with inquisiton the problem of lich is solved.
In reverse murphy wants to kill joe and not have him be sacaficed for So murphy uses his three power skill, that dosnt effect joe in any harmful way during the fight unlike inquisition, murphy kills joe, joe cant be sacraficed due to dieing with the taint affliction on him. If joe had killed murphy the taint affliction would have worn off in twenty mins and joe would have had no problems doing anything because he didnt die.
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 28 2006, 05:00 PM) 263443
Why is it such a problem that someone sacrifices anyway? I thought you guys didn't want to cause ooc grief by forcing people to lose a lot of experience, yet here you are demanding that a skill that causes 2 people to lose a bit of experience and safes one person of losing a lot of experience to be nerfed down so the one person accually loses a lot of experience?
Well it was Narasrim made the big complaint about the fact that exp is to keep and that because its so easy to avoid losing exp there are no concequences. Geb and murphy and others have said many times they dont have a problem with praying. Celest is the city that has to pray the least and people are now complaining that they think sacrafice needs tweaking.
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 28 2006, 05:04 PM) 263444
Ferlas,
That suggestion was on crack. Try again.
And now explain why Narasrim dont make pointless posts when you could have just explained why you think its a bad idea in the first place.
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 28 2006, 05:18 PM) 263451
only for like 20 or so seconds. *shrug*
And running when certain dead is near is a good tactic, no dishonour in that! Also you could try keeping the one doing the inquisition stunned/webbed, kill him or something like that. (you can't finish someone elses inquisition can you?)
Though yeah crusify stuff should get a look at.
O as a note constant webbing and forcing actions with pookas wont prevent Inquisition, its what I tried today, first time ive seen inquisition though so didnt go to bad. Shielding may work better but thats for the next try! *cheer*
Anisu2006-02-28 17:29:58
QUOTE(ferlas @ Feb 28 2006, 06:25 PM) 263453
Inquisition is a 12 power skill that when pulled completly off screws the target up big time and strips defences such as lich, even if it isnt pulled of to the finish the target is still being hit with afflictions so it isnt wasted power. The idea behind the taint its a skill that only effects sacrafice it wont stun the target, it wont afflict the target that is why it would be a lot cheaper than inquisiton. If its used on you and you win the fight then no problem its wasted power.
ie, murphy for example is fighting joe murphy knows joe is going to get sacraficed,eg Joe knows murphy is going to lich and run if he dies.
except you can't attack others during there 20 minutes as you won't get a sacrifice if you die. And if you think Celestians never have to pray, you really need a reality check. They praying rate is this from most to fewest
Glomdoring
Serenwilde
Celest
Magnagora
ferlas2006-02-28 17:37:17
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 28 2006, 05:29 PM) 263456
except you can't attack others during there 20 minutes as you won't get a sacrifice if you die. And if you think Celestians never have to pray, you really need a reality check. They praying rate is this from most to fewest
So drop the time down to 5 mins then under the average time of most fights, you win the fight the affliction will drop of in a min or less, Problem solved, any more objections?
Anisu2006-02-28 17:46:46
QUOTE(ferlas @ Feb 28 2006, 06:37 PM) 263459
So drop the time down to 5 mins then under the average time of most fights, you win the fight the affliction will drop of in a min or less, Problem solved, any more objections?
There is however no need for such a skill since the person was still DEAD there WAS an experience loss, the person sacrificing IS also losing xp, and finally there IS a way to stop sacrifice if you willing to pay the gold/power cost.
And there not to many in Celest even willing to sacrifice due to the experience loss (prevent souls from entering Celest and you will see only 1 or 2 people are still willing to sacrifice regularly)
Daganev2006-02-28 19:44:23
One problem with liche is that you can't sip vitae aftwards, so if you die after lich your petty much hosed and garanteed to pray. If you get away thats great, but if you don't, your open game and are going to be treated like a glommie.
Xenthos2006-02-28 19:44:58
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 28 2006, 02:44 PM) 263528
One problem with liche is that you can sip vitae aftwards, so if you die after lich your petty much hosed and garanteed to pray. If you get away thats great, but if you don't, your open game and are going to be treated like a glommie.
"Can't"?
Daganev2006-02-28 20:02:16
meh, yes can't... *mutter*
Geb2006-03-01 03:46:59
QUOTE(ferlas @ Feb 28 2006, 05:50 PM) 263438
3 power affliction lasts 20 mins, no way to cure it. If you die with this affliction on you are unable to be sacaficed, your soul has been corrupted by blah something tainted etc
Then lich can be stripped by inq, and sacrafice can be stopped, tada! Everyones happy.
Are you really trying to compare your new skill suggestion (That costs only 3 power) to inquisition stripping lich? No, everyone is not happy because your suggestion would be extremely easy to pull off. If you truly want parity between the cities, then remove resurrect, lich, and sacrifice. Make both cities have to use immolate corpse for resurrections, just like Glom has to do now.
Diamante2006-03-01 05:10:05
"Just drop eye sigils to keep the soul from moving, it's sooooooo easy" /lich defense. If it's so easy to keep the lich from moving as a soul, it's just as easy to drop sigils for someone else? oh wait..... it's a arguement for both
EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~
EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~
Kaervas2006-03-01 10:39:45
It's actually quite easy to trap a soul, just need to be quick. My main problem is that I've just been lacking in flame sigils to go with my eyes, so people can just pick them up usually.
Ixion2006-03-01 10:40:49
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 28 2006, 12:29 PM) 263456
except you can't attack others during there 20 minutes as you won't get a sacrifice if you die. And if you think Celestians never have to pray, you really need a reality check. They praying rate is this from most to fewest
Glomdoring
Serenwilde
Celest
Magnagora
When 100 people were asked which org prays most often, the top four answers are... on the board. Survey says? Ding.
Ah wait, this was simply one person's opinion.
QUOTE(geb @ Feb 28 2006, 10:46 PM) 263716
If you truly want parity between the cities, then remove resurrect, lich, and sacrifice. Make both cities have to use immolate corpse for resurrections, just like Glom has to do now.
Addition for clarity/sanity: Transmigration would have to removed too. That is all.
ferlas2006-03-01 12:38:00
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 1 2006, 03:46 AM) 263716
Are you really trying to compare your new skill suggestion (That costs only 3 power) to inquisition stripping lich? No, everyone is not happy because your suggestion would be extremely easy to pull off. If you truly want parity between the cities, then remove resurrect, lich, and sacrifice. Make both cities have to use immolate corpse for resurrections, just like Glom has to do now.
Fair enough comparing it to inquisiton isnt that realistic, compare it to fossil, I fossil a corpse you cant res it, You mar/taint a soul and you cant sacrafice for it, hmm maby make it so you use it on the soul after the death, just make it basically a fossil like skill that instead of stoping resurection you stop sacrafice.
Murphy2006-03-01 12:48:44
how about a move where I can consume their soul upon death, say like they have to die while under an 8 power curse or something fun, and i get to devour their soul afrter they die, so they instantly start to pray on prime or conglute off it
Shiri2006-03-01 12:50:18
And the person who does the curse has to be the one that kills them, too, and it wears off quickly. Even then I'd be leery.
Narsrim2006-03-01 13:21:33
ZOMG, what about the Avatar resurrection ability? It is better than Sacrifice! What will we do?
Aiakon2006-03-01 13:35:38
There is one? Didn't know about that.
Narsrim2006-03-01 14:13:00
Ok check this out!
Avatars can resurrect souls from ANYWHERE. You don't even need to have the soul in the same room... and it only costs about 25 lobs worth of essence to do. You come back with grace and full health (if I remember correctly). The only catch is that it can only be performed on Order members. *gasp*
This makes sacrifice look like immolating. It doesn't even cost power!
Avatars can resurrect souls from ANYWHERE. You don't even need to have the soul in the same room... and it only costs about 25 lobs worth of essence to do. You come back with grace and full health (if I remember correctly). The only catch is that it can only be performed on Order members. *gasp*
This makes sacrifice look like immolating. It doesn't even cost power!
Unknown2006-03-01 14:15:46
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 1 2006, 02:13 PM) 263803
Ok check this out!
Avatars can resurrect souls from ANYWHERE. You don't even need to have the soul in the same room... and it only costs about 25 lobs worth of essence to do. You come back with grace and full health (if I remember correctly). The only catch is that it can only be performed on Order members. *gasp*
This makes sacrifice look like immolating. It doesn't even cost power!
Does that really exist?
Ekard2006-03-01 15:37:59
QUOTE(Avaer @ Mar 1 2006, 05:15 PM) 263804
Does that really exist?
It was here when Aesyra was around. I cant be 100% sure but i dont think that Admins have changed anything.
Who is Avatar right now and could confirm it?