Lots of our younger ones have analyze. Influence is a pretty good way to get levels early on.

Hrm ok then, I'll see about bringing it up IG and making a note in the ghelps for novices, thanks hun!
love-mimi

I dunno about novices...just younger ones that are out of novicehood.

Our novices can't do -anything- to help.

ours can chant Laetitia! Woot for Laetitia!
love-mimi

I think that can be used as an argument against Laetitia. We can pull L10 novices into peaced villages and they can, very directly, help the cities. The communes can't do that.

As such, there's a commune-mimi going through the same thing mimi is except when they are shattered they can't do anything about it.

In the least, though, Analyze isn't that far up in Influence I don't think, and that alone turns you into a serious helper.

That's got to be with +2 lion from nejii and +2 beauty blessing.

Without that extra boost from chanting, commune members run into another snag, you attack faster with the faster cha, and need to try to keep up with your own offencive ego expendicures.



In Estelbar I saw Athana influencing tomtom, AND debating people out, effecively, and eating sparkles/sipping bromide/chanting for herself. ....NO ONE could rightfully say that's not completely overpowered. When laetia makes villager hits on you count for nothing, while your hitting them, and hitting another player, and taking hits from another player, that's saying something. (Yes, I also know she's a demigod faeling in villages, with those highmagic/city rites/ect +cha skills, and most likely has a Cha around 25, but still, that's a bit insane, when no one else can ever hope to touch them, even if they are busy with an extremely willful villager.)

If I've misunderstood you, I apologise. However, I think it's worth pointing out that Athana -cannot- chant for herself because she is a Geomancer and thus has Illusions not Rituals. The issue here becomes one of demi-god/faeling charisma-tankiness, not about laetitia.

I'm working on that part...

City faelings are the most powerful influencers, but I think there should be some limitations on that to counter it. Particularly in the case of Magnagora, who hates all things Elfen (I think).

titan-faeling tankiness

Yes this has nothing to do with laetita, Athana can debate and beat on a denizen for a while, once the debater gets to hard she'll have to hope the denizen will go to her, or have to focus on the debater.

Infact I could do this as faeling without a chanter. sip bromide, eat sparkle, adjust mindset, influence denizen. I really need to get blessings to get char 20

I'd rather wish that people with a shattered ego is unable to chant for others. It'll at least give the communes a way to overcome it but still allow the Ritual user to be able to chant himself even if he is shattered.

The problem with this is

laetitia could be removed during combat, disabling people from chanting laetitia for a mage with psionics. (and whatever other skill will ever run on ego)

If I debate you out... I'd kill you with mind burst. Your future ability to use laetitia doesn't matter because I'd kill you when I could...

That is crap Narsrim, shattering lasts trough dead, and you very well know it. (Or i'd just heartstop in Celest and go influencing again)

Also using debate to mindburst would be the worse tactic you could use and I'll let you guess why.

Perhaps I'm missing your point:

If I debate you until you are shattered at which point you could no longer cast laetitia, what bearing would that if any for someone with psionics?

So what about us communes without Laetitia? Why should such a novice skill be a huge impact on Influencing, one of the major component of Lusternia that sets it apart from all other IRE games?

I could nolonger use laetitia to cure the telekinis person that is taking hits (you know that telekinesis forcefield that makes health damage into ego damage). Not that I ever do this, but then I don't ever use puella either. However there are people that DO use it, and it's accually what this skill is for.

Magnagora doesn't really hate elfen. Fain dislikes elfen and merian because he disliked the Divine they were splintered from, but aside from them being blocked from the Megalith, there's no real preventative measures in place to stop an elfen doing well in Magnagora.

Totems anyone, why should a novice with totems be able to circumvent near trans common skills and enchantments. It's just how this game is designed every place has certain advantages and disadvantages.

Why should you limit the use of laetitia, why not just make it an enchantment and the communes can play with it too, giving a city is willing to sell it, enchanters could use a bit of aid since many find it to unprofitable a skill.

What are you talking about?

Communes have countless advantages over cities, quit your whining. It is still possible to out debate someone with laetitia, and it doesn't give a quarter of the advantage natural high charisma does in influencing its self.