Daggers are crazy

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Unknown2006-03-07 00:46:35
A dagger of patterned steel floats around you, then dives at you.
It painfully stabs you!
A prickly stinging overcomes your body, fading away into numbness. line 23975, Monday, March 06, 6:34:19 PM
5215h, 1573m, 3975e, 4p exkp-

Shamarah raises his arms and a gust of wind slams into you.
You are hurled to the west.
In the waters of New Celest harbour.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. Limned
with holy fire, a celestial archangel stands loftily on a floating cloud,
regarding you with her sympathetic eyes of light.
You see exits leading north, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, and
northwest.
5215h, 1573m, 3975e, 4p exkp-

A celestial archangel blazes with holy light and is gone.
5215h, 1573m, 3975e, 4p exkp-
w
You are paralysed and cannot do that.
5215h, 1573m, 3975e, 4p exkp-
crush anisu head
crush anisu head

Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
You cannot see that being here.
5215h, 1573m, 3975e, 5p exk-
drink mana
You cannot see that being here.
5215h, 1549m, 3975e, 5p exk-
You take a drink from an opal vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
5400h, 1738m, 3975e, 5p exk-

An onyx throwing dagger flies in, spinning end over end.
An onyx throwing dagger floats around you, then dives at you.
It painfully stabs you!
A prickly stinging overcomes your body, fading away into numbness.24009 Monday, March 06, 6:34:21 PM
focus body


Ok this is crazy paralysis every 2 seconds? I know I am nto reans discipline or any of that jazz, but two seconds seems a bit much.
Shamarah2006-03-07 00:55:13
Substratus hits every four seconds.
Superstratus hits every eight seconds.

So you're getting hit every 2-4 seconds, assuming I delay them properly (sometimes I screw up):

-0 sec: hit by paralysis (substratus)
-2 sec: hit by paralysis (substratus)
-4 sec: hit by paralysis (superstratus)
-8 sec: cycle repeats
Torak2006-03-07 01:01:22
They are too fast, hopefully the mages included something in their envoys.
Unknown2006-03-07 01:12:46
I was not sure how they work, but I am just not feeling the whole 2-4 second thing because for a lot of people I know thats how long it takes to focus. Yes I know my lack of skill plays a part in this, but still I think it is a little two fast I would be happy with every 6 or so.
Geb2006-03-07 01:30:14
QUOTE(SuperFrog @ Mar 7 2006, 02:12 AM) 266494

I was not sure how they work, but I am just not feeling the whole 2-4 second thing because for a lot of people I know thats how long it takes to focus. Yes I know my lack of skill plays a part in this, but still I think it is a little two fast I would be happy with every 6 or so.


You can shrug the poison on daggers, they do miss people, can be shielded against, and against most mages disruption scrolls will work. Like Shamarah has said, it is on a 4 & 8 cycle. So timing it the right way can make it brutal against some people, but at the high end of character development they are not that hard to deal with.
Shorlen2006-03-07 01:32:33
Well, they can't do anything else while doing this except hit you with a demesne, right? So, it's not passive. That's not THAT insane.... I mean, a hexen can make you unable to cure no matter what without focusmind - needing the same level of discipline to do anything against a telekinetic doesn't seem overpowered.
Xenthos2006-03-07 01:33:34
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Mar 6 2006, 08:32 PM) 266509

Well, they can't do anything else while doing this except hit you with a demesne, right? So, it's not passive. That's not THAT insane.... I mean, a hexen can make you unable to cure no matter what without focusmind - needing the same level of discipline to do anything against a telekinetic doesn't seem overpowered.


They can't use those two channels, but they have one more + illusions + staff + demesne.
Unknown2006-03-07 01:35:04
I just thought it was a little crazy. Not saying nerf nerf nerf just thought it was a little fast and really just how to counter it. My immunity only works for so long, and when i shield he just pokes it and then i am hit. The disruption may work I will have to try it.
Geb2006-03-07 01:36:10
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Mar 7 2006, 02:32 AM) 266509

Well, they can't do anything else while doing this except hit you with a demesne, right? So, it's not passive. That's not THAT insane.... I mean, a hexen can make you unable to cure no matter what without focusmind - needing the same level of discipline to do anything against a telekinetic doesn't seem overpowered.


No, mages can do some other things with the daggers going. The daggers do very little damage though, only the lines of 50-90 damage per hit, or 150-270 damage over an 8-second period. And also the daggers can miss or the venom can be shrugged. Last, the venom can be used up, forcing the mage to call the daggers back in to re-envenom them.
Athalas2006-03-07 01:36:29
Using the open id channel isn't worth it though. Burst only works on substratus, so you'd be putting yourself off eq for 4 seconds, to use 1 affliction. Sweet?
Shamarah2006-03-07 01:57:15
There's no point in using id if you have sub and super locked. Generally I'd either lock it with psychicblock if I'm jumping someone, or forcefield or something. Or I'll just ignore it. If only we could magnetize on id!

When I use daggers I generally end up either stacking on phantom and spamming curse scroll if I'm trying to aff-load, or just staffing if I'm using mantakaya or something else.
Unknown2006-03-07 02:04:01
Do disruption scrolls work if you are deaf? I did not think they did, but I can't remember. And if not then thats another problem when dealign with the daggers because to attack and get rid of it would leave you open to them and locked for a few
Geb2006-03-07 02:14:48
QUOTE(SuperFrog @ Mar 7 2006, 03:04 AM) 266528

Do disruption scrolls work if you are deaf? I did not think they did, but I can't remember. And if not then thats another problem when dealign with the daggers because to attack and get rid of it would leave you open to them and locked for a few


No, they do not work if the mage is deaf and does not have mindseye up. If the mage has mindseye up, then the scroll will work. Remember that a channel being unlocked takes just as long to open as if it was being used. So, unlocking the substratus will cause the mage to be unable to move for 4 seconds nor use that channel for that length of time. Doing the same to the Super will cause the mage to be stationary for 8 seconds and unable to use Super for that same time period.
Shamarah2006-03-07 02:18:11
Don't mention bugs like that on the forums.
Geb2006-03-07 02:29:52
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Mar 7 2006, 03:18 AM) 266537

Don't mention bugs like that on the forums.


That is a bug, and a new one in fact. Bug it please.

*update

Just tested and found that your statement is true. Placed in a bug report concerning it. If it is not fixed by tomorrow I will also post on the envoy board, since this bug a major problem with game balance problem.
Shamarah2006-03-07 02:37:02
I did, as soon as I noticed.
Unknown2006-03-07 02:50:27
So with discipline to heartstop is there really any viable defense against someone that actually knows how to use this stuff? I mean if they are good they will be deaf, demense going and ripping you a new one.
Murphy2006-03-07 03:08:05
Tell me why do the daggers follow you around?

I think a good suggestion is to have them only work while the mage is in the room, i've tried to chase Shamarah down before with mantakaya venoms up, and its a bitch when they follow you around while the mage isn't in the room. You can't lose them and you can't sprint away from them which is rather annoying.
Narsrim2006-03-07 03:14:42
They only work in a certain radius.
Murphy2006-03-07 03:28:22
Should only be in the room with the mage, but i'm not going to harp on about it because mages suck as it is.