Agreed.

Stop making me laugh!

Only in America do women bow.

So you're one of those who think that God had nothing better to do in the Middle Age than putting Kings in thrones, feudal lords raping women in their castles and priests going fat while people died of hunger?

You follow a strange God.

Damnit. I'm late. I'll argue that in a moment. Actually the concepts do vary slightly. I wasn't using particularly specific language hence confusion... Will explain shortly.

That's questionable. While I would agree that the bulk of the Bible promotes morals (it doesn't really promote "values"), there are several cases where it promotes some rather bizarre behaviors. For example: the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah. At one point, a crowd of angry/bad people demanding Lot (the only pure and righteous man there), nephew of Abraham, to surrender the angels that have visited him. In response, he offers them his *virgin* daughters, aware that said crowd will likely rape them. Wtf? And then Lot later has sex with his "virgin" daughters get pregnant have have his babies. Gross.

I'm not seeing the promotion of moral values in this story. Likewise, the variet of inconsistencies in the Bible make it difficult to draw definative standings on moral issues. For example, let's consider







The list goes on and on.

Aww you didn't include the more important and far broadered reason. GREED! Aledgedly if you accused a landowner of being a witch (regardless of sex) you received their land somehow. And of course we all know the fool proof trials they had, "Dunk 'em in water if they survive, burn em!" "Burn 'em, if they survive they're ok by me" *simpsons theme song* "Throw 'em off a cliff with a broom, if the fly ask them to come back so we can BURN 'EM!"

On a sidetrack, why do you have such a pejorative view of the Middle Ages? (there's an s there, it isn't Aetolia.)

Ok lets establish some rules in this thread.

1. The truth will not be found here.
2. This thread will likely become a flame war, with people's 'opinions' masking veiled jabs at others.
3. Murphy will continue to either heavily offend, or cause humour to occur due to points 1 & 2.

So, let's keep this thread to opinons without veiled insults (amaru you started them) and lets have no illusions, you won't find the truth from a bunch of Lusternian players, the 'truth' per se is whaever you decide for yourself it is, and however you justify it is up to you.

Continue the 'debate' but don't get any illusions at to what this is -really- going to end up as.

4. If this thread degrades i won't hesitate to turn it into a fight in Sumo suits.

Why are you trying to criticise Christianity by criticising practices in the Middle Ages? What does witch-burning have to do with Christianity?

And why is this thread so on fire...? Everyone seems to love yelling at religion. It's depressing. You have to wonder where the world would be if no one had ever realised or appreciated God's existence.



Thank you for managing our expectations. I personally was expecting this thread to reveal the meaning of life.

You're welcome

EDIT: Seriously though, some people are going on like this is the be all and end all of religous debate, be sure to send the link to the Pope, and other religious figures to ensure no-one misses out on the truth.

Erm, I think you're putting the criticism of Christianity in yourself there.

Why would it? Why wouldn't someone have edited out those parts, which didn't further prove the message they were trying to get out to the masses?

That’s another thing, the bible was written by people, not even one person, VARIOUS people, some even with slightly different accounts on the same topic.

No matter how many times my one friend from college tells me the bible is as good as the word of god, because god spoke to the people writing it, I can't believe her, because it's just speculation/faith.



The Bible wasn't even converted to a language any normal church member(anyone not completely, 100% loyal to the Church, i.e. clergy) could read until the reformation.



...what do you know? and what do you just think you know?

Edit:Seeing you've got somewhere to go I'll abandon the topic as well till you've got more time to think about it, and try and dispute my arguments

Goddamit, someone respond to my post. I spent a great deal of time looking all that crap up, and I want someone to argue it!

This thread is called 'Religion, a force for war or peace?'

Europe at the time of the witch-burnings was entirely Christian.

It was implied, was it not?

I don't have exactly a pejorative view, I think that it wasn't a good stage in European story, specially after we lost so much culture from the Roman and Arab empires due to people going back to being iletrates and science being forbidden unless in very specific environments.

It also was a good time for architecture (religious architecture mostly, but awfully impressing) but the life of about 90% of the population was crap, and science got stopped into nothingness unless religion related.

I use the term Middle Age because I am talking globally of the early, high and late periods, wich is the terms I used when studiying them at school. Of course I didn't study them in english, so maybe you use different terms. Haven't ever played Aetolia

oh please the bible is the best story ever sold.

Why was it only Mathew Mark Luke and John who got their gospels included in the bible? Did no-one else write stories either?

Anyway i too am late for bed, i need my sleep or tommorow you will find the murph rather strange.

It's easy to take cynical viewpoints which explain in a simple way the deviousness and selfishness of 'the rich' or 'the powerful' or whatever you want to call them. It could be argued about a lot of things I would consider positive, such as political liberalism or capitalism.

More just mentioning that not all witch burnings which irridel actually brought up were just based on gender and male insecurity. Also what ever the religeon that was practiced then, my history is a little rusty... but how many witches were burned before it came

also a lovely image to think on entitled "Triumph of Christianity"

EDIT: my link wouldn't work :,( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tommaso...hristianity.jpg

Erm, I don't think so.

I didn't know English wasn't your first language, so I'll stop criticising that.

90% of the population have had crap lives for most of civilised history. By our standards, most of the time before the 20th century. But it is arguably true that a lot of our most revered art, music and culture came from these times. The efforts of the many raised the exceptional few onto a pedestal. But on that pedestal, they were able to do great, great things.