Would you also support revoking the human +3 experience advantage?

Geb has the advantage right now because he has conglute, which many defenders don't...

If that is what is required to level the playing field, then yes. Not like they do not have enough advantages with evolution.



Vitae takes 20 power too from your line of reasoning. A lich does not have to have 10 power on hand to reform. That being the case, the cost of liching is actually 10 power plus 0-10 power that is lost on the prompt. Vitae takes 10 power to put up and the person loses any amount left on his prompt on death. So Vitae and lich have the same range of costs.

Its been a while but I seem to remember Lich costing 10 power when you reform. Being brought back to life gives you 10 power, and then you lose it imediatly.

This whole thread reeks of "I want the bastard to pray". It reminds me of someone (Murphy?) suggesting a skill which prevents people from being sacrificed. The only reason to have this skill - which I believe the suggester of the skill ended up confirming - was to make the bugger pray.

This smells of griefing.

Well the soul in every situation dosnt have to escape to get sacrifice but the lich does have to escape to avoid getting killed again.

You kill a lich on the road you can chase him until he reforms and kill him again, tricky yup but not imposiable.

You kill a celestian on the road in a room covered in eye sigils someone can walk in and sacrafice him and theres nothing you can do.

In an properly defened enemy city commune or villiage the lich is dead, the sacraficer is also dead unless there is someone who isnt enemied willing to come in and risk getting enemied to save him. Generally both are pretty screwed.



Well erm make my barghest eat corpses please



Vitae and spores means you don't pray most of the time, its easier to escape with vitae and spores than it is with lich it seems, just make sure you have some on you and they are made for the correct plane.

I personally would prefere to have sacrafice over lich in terms of exp loss it would make it so I never have to pray on prime again(as long as there was one guild member on line) and as long as I'm not raiding. With lich although I would avoid the first death the exp loss to that is just like conglute anyway so no big deal but I would still have to pray a few times when they were determined to kill me, and one pray on prime is like ten times what I would lose to a death then sacrafice.

Its true, if this one member have sacrifice its 3rd skill from end in Sacraments and is willing to sacrifice for you. Not all are willing to sacrifice and lose their own exp.

And yea if someone die on road and even if eye sigils stop him from coming to city/village someone with vitae could try to get to someone but you could stay with soul and wait for sacrificer to kill him when he come.

And yea its hard to get into enemy village for sacrifice, in such villages like Angkrag it is 99% death and praying to both of them.

Quoted for truth.

The mechanics for that happening sound convoluted. Anyone else who presently have the skill able to comment on his assertion that you gain 10 power immediately and then lose it right after?



There is no experience loss from lich. Just like there is no status given for forcing a person to Lich. It is like the person has not died according to the Avenger system. Also, if people are determined to kill a Lich then they could be just as determined to kill a person who Vitae. The difference is that a person who Vitae returns immediately on balance, but still in the hands of his enemies. A Lich is a soul for a bit of time in which he can not be tracked with normal skills, and so normally has enough time to get to an area where it is safe enough to reform remain off-equilibrium and then ghost or rush home. Both have their advantages, but I bet if you did a statistical study on which survives after the first death the most, you will find Liches (who also have ghost to help with escaping) survive and escape more often than people who Vitae.

This seems to be where people are taking things, but it's not the point of the thread at all. The issue is not that people need to lose more experience (though, as Geb has said, that's a viable point). The issue is that Mags with vitae and lich are much, MUCH harder to actually chase off than raiders from any other organization. In addition, they have no fear of penalty, and can raid as often as they wish without a major problem.

I know for a fact that Daevos and his friends would be much less likely to invade if they lost equal amounts of experience. In fact, last time I got a killing blow on Daevos in Limbo, he personally killed me once, and announced that any other citizen of Magnagora should do the same (three of his cronies succeeded in doing so). Does that really sound like someone who doesn't care?

The point is this: everyone should have to risk something in order to cause damage. It's part of the fun of the game, knowing that either side could win or lose something. Also, Mags shouldn't be any harder to repel than anyone else.

What would be the problem with something like making lich immediate, just like vitae, and giving Magnagorans something high in Necromancy to reform rotting bodies around souls?

Just a small question, do you lose divine essence on lich?

I know I sure as hell nolonger sacrifice for everyone now that I cost 47k divine essence a sacrifice.


(This is unrelated to the topic, I'm not supporting the nerf lich faction)

Since it's a death I think so, yeah.


Plus, I am all for lowering exp losses. I mean, I was pretty pissed off to lose 25% when Ekard killed me in Southgard. He was nice enough to try and get me immolated, but headless corpses can't be immolated. To be precise, I was killed two or so weeks ago. I gained the percents back at Sunday. And I rarely kill people or make them pray. It's cause I don't like dieing myself, and we all should share the same view. I mean, combat can only be more interesting if we have higher levels and all.

I don't think so. It doesn't count as a death for any other purposes, I don't think it does in this area either.



I agree that exp loss for praying and dying in enemy territory is too high. I think there needs to be a happy medium - less exp loss for praying/dying in enemy territory, but more for lich/conglut/etc

Christ, can you guysgo two days without whining about something?

I mean, dayum.

Get outside and play some ice-hockey or something.

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Eye sigils.

That's right, you invest in some eye sigils, and GUESS WHAT? Liches have exactly the same chance of dying as everyone else. It's exceptionally easy and cheap to defend villages in this way, in particular - just put an eye sigil at the entrance, along with 20-odd guards, and unless they take a massive team (which would alert your entire organization) they can't disenchant.

And people do NOT need to lose more experience. People ("Mags" included, though really you should be saying "two Magnagoran guilds with transcendent in their secondary skillsets") lose experience constantly. Just look at Yrael. LOOK at him. LOOK, DANGIT.

When I had lich, I was told to heartstop off plane because that apperently cost the divine less essence.

*poses*

And I think Celest and Serenwilde take MUCH pleasure in that fact.

The point is still that they have to be killed an extra time to get rid of them, it has nothing to do with stopping their escape. You didn't read very carefully. The person could easily get killed, escape to a room without guards, raise defenses, and come back into the fray.



Yrael loses a lot of experience because he is constantly in conflict on prime. If he could transmigrate, conglutinate, etc he wouldn't lose so much. Again, look at what I said - exp loss for praying needs to be LOWERED, exp loss for other skills should be raised.

Have you ever raided a village from Seren? The guards are everywhere! EVERYWHERE! They follow you around, they attack you whenever you move a room....EVERYWHERE!

Lichdom to me is one of the many game mechanics that helps reinforce the RP of an organization no matter who the active players at the time are, and one of the things I like about Lusternia.

I think he knew that. I'm currently at 40-something percent of level 66, went down to 65 10-20 something percent yesterday. Why? That's right, I was forced to pray because once I encountered the Swarm (Catarin is Overmind) and they had placed eye sigils, the second time was actually getting caught in Serenwilde (impossible to raid due to wisp and flow.) and guard whacked. I got caught a few other times in Seren, but I walked away (fast) as a spirit and did a darkcall wings as soon as possible and flew off.