I don't get it...evil's not mentioned once in that quote. Insanity is. Since when is insane the same as 'Standard Evil'?

Mag comes off as pretty standard evil, regardless of whether that's their intention.

Ignore Rauros, especially in "I'm new" posts. He just trolls.

Eh, screw you too.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Yah yer right about that Yrael.... On a good night I can pull 23 Str with 18 Con

As for evil.... Ur'Guards are the most communcative, helpful, car....... bah you all may be right I can't even say that without laughing.. But Geo's are evil too just look at that Aiakon bugger.... and his "astral demense web" heh.... he is the spider! I was just there because he ordered me to kill his prey.

A trite response based on the quick impression one might get from a quick glance at the various orgs.

But if you stop and think about it Magnagora is actually one of the least evil organisations (looking at this from an objective out of game perspective).

Sure Magnagora may be seen as an aggressive org seeking to dominate, control, repress or overthrow the rest of the basin. However compared to Celest's policies of misinformation and genocide, I have to feel it loses out in the evil stakes to Celest.

Of course both the citys pale in comparison to the self-admitted fanatic and isolationalist policies of the Seren.

So welcome to Magnagora, one of the most tolerant, just and stable societies in the basin.

No, not really. Even if there's the odd Seren/Celestian that is pretty evil their actual ideals and teachings are all pretty benevolent: for contrast, check out Nifilhema, Luciphage, et al.! The argument that Magnagora might not be evil because Taint != evil is a bit silly because, well, it is, as well.

And I wouldn't call it tolerant/just/stable even ignoring all of that. Magnagora is pretty evil whichever way you look at it. Whether Serenwilde and Celest are as well is up for debate, of course.

Most of the concept that Magnagora is evil comes from the emotive descriptions used for their skills, descriptions effects etc.

Hardly conclusive.

Nihilists are evil, the beliefs are based on satanism pretty much.
Everyone has their own definition of evil though.

Again, the blatant propaganda on an "I'm new and need some advice" thread is staggering, though not surprising

Every nation has fanatics and pacifists.

Having experienced novice hood recently in all nations I can say that Serenwilde has the most leeway for those that just want to sit around and do their own thing. "hey you don't help or bother us, and you just sit around the forest, ok fine, would be nice if you'd help us while the forest is on fire and burning down around us... but whatever." Heck there are people like Exarius who pride(hehe, a pun) themselves on non-involvement in guild/commune day-to-day activities.

The cities have a more regimental structure. You can get kicked out for trying to rise above your station. I actually find it very interesting to sink into Magnagora RP from time to time.

Most important, whatever Nation/Guild you pick, take the time to read over their RP based ghelp scrolls, while in novicehood ask a lot of questions about the history/purpose of the guild. Get a good feel for what the attitudes of people are like. If you want to play into a sort of middle-ground this will be helpful and you won't come into conflict with guild members.

However if you want a completely disparate RP for your character, perhaps a fanatical militant taint-lover in Serenwilde, or a loud snuggle-bunny pacifist in Magnagora, expect to be in conflict with the status quo, expect to be looked at differently, and expect to be in constant danger of being kicked out, as you are a threat to those in power, and to the best interests of your nation

Obviously you don't need to pick hum-drum or fanatic, there are a lot of things in between, and expect your character’s views and feelings to change gradually as situations change as well. (There are no static characters around here)

Most of all have fun, and remember this is a game, if you get into a situation where your game play is frustrating and the rewards from it are small, take a step back and recesses your situation, and make a change if you feel it is best (some people whip up a snazzy RP event and change nations or guilds within their nation).

Sure it's conclusive. While it doesn't work the other way around, if the idea that Serenwilde is evil comes from the concept that we'll do anything to protect our goal (which no one could say is evil in and of itself) then it can't really be argued that Magnagora's methods (sadism et al. as Corbenic says) make them anything other than evil even if their goal was "good", which it isn't really. Whether it's evil is another matter, mind.

EDIT: By "which no one could say is evil in and of itself" I meant that the goal isn't evil.

Nihilists aren’t evil... and neither are the demon lords, they just teach their followers truths about the universe that others are to weak to realize.

In their minds they are realists.



All the orgs have pretty solid RP you can sink into if you take on the mind-set of their organization when you do it.

Yes, but we're talking OOCly here. No one who's evil thinks they are.

By real world standards yes, they are evil, but remember this is a magical fantasy land where we all type in letters and make believe that flying aethership forests and tainted mugwumpi thieves and pacifist bookworm gods are real! (If you've ever dreamed in text/pictures simultaneously you'll understand)

I come here for that fun stuff, not to debate over public channels who is more evil.

Not going to reply to specific posts. You're bring in-game arguments into it.
And at that point the discussion belongs firmly in-game and in-character.

Just step back and think about it from a perspective outside the game from time to time.

This could quickly turn into a debate about the nature of evil, which really wouldn't be productive. No one has ever, to my knowledge, made a conclusive argument that states 'evil is this, this and this, but not this or that'. You'd be better off arguing in terms of power; who wields it, how do they wield it and in what fashion.

Okay, try this for unbiased suggestions.

If, when you're not bashing, you like lots of social interaction and cheerful, happy, playful players for your fellow citizens, go to Serenwilde.

If, when you're not bashing, you like light social interaction and odd, driven, entertaining players for your fellow citizens, go to Magnagora.

If, when you're not bashing, you like some social interaction and alternatively fanatical or kind-hearted players for your fellow citizens, go to Celest.

If, when you're not bashing, you like some social interaction and sophisticated, intelligent, attractive, and generally amazing players for your fellow citizens, go to Glomdoring.

Indeed.
All I really wanted to illustrate was that Magnagora is more that just your 'standard evil'. And I believe that objective has been reached.

Those dreams are creepy

Anyways, you may enjoy every organization but it also depends on how you want to roleplay, while a pacifist can survive in Magnagora and Glomdoring its probably not the easiest for them to do unlike in Celest in Serenwilde. Militeristic people, in other words, fighters, do very well in every organization. Yet each place has their own mentality when it comes to fighting, many people do not like 'griefers' or people who hunt down others without a good reason and make those peoples gaming time a living Hell.

Every place is good, every place has their own style and their downs. I dont personally like Serenwilde, Ill admit that without a doubt and the two main characters I play dont care much for them (Dia wants to see them burn ) but everythings based on your own interpretations of each organization. Read up on them, look into the historys were given. Look at each guild, decide if you want to be a Mage, Summoner or Warrior. Decide how you want to place the game and go, enjoy yourself. Most of all, have fun.