The point of Nihilist combat is to hinder the target long enough to either gather enough Soulless rubs or drain enough mana in order to perform an instant-kill. Given that amissio and leech are the only mana draining skills open to Nihilists, my own personal tactic is to overload them with afflictions first (usually aeoning, hangedman-ing, and stinging while my demon paralyzes/gives anorexia/gives stupidity/powersinks) and then quicken, leech, and go for Wrack.

Thusly of course it is necessary to leech or amissio multiple times, and of course it should drain them sufficiently to perform Wrack, if they are doing nothing more than sipping or eating sparkleberry.

One less reason to be Merian.



Leech sucks compared to amissio, though. Why would you use it as a mana drainer over Amissio?

Amissio is 50 more mana. In all tests I used amissio.

Aslaran with an active demon and stinging.
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3180h, 4044m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:33.704 >
Iblis closes his eyes and clenches his fists, audibly grinding his teeth. A
sparkling sheen briefly runs over his skin, and his eyelids flicker open at
lightning speed.
3180h, 4044m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:38.241 >
With his deadly tail, Iblis strikes out at you and stings you.
You shake your head and glare hatefully at all your surroundings.
3180h, 4044m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:38.541 >
With a cold smile, a hideous archdemon digs his claws into your flesh, sending a
bolt of excruciating pain through your body.
3180h, 4044m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdbp- < 15:21:39.363 >
You begin to struggle free of your entanglement.
3180h, 4044m, 3828e, 10p elrkdbp- < 15:21:39.493 >
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3180h, 4044m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdbp- < 15:21:40.564 >
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
3180h, 4044m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdbp- < 15:21:41.486 >
You have writhed free of your entanglement.
3180h, 4044m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:41.766 >
Iblis whispers your name under his breath as he chants, and you suddenly feel
drained and muddled.
3180h, 3290m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:42.076 >
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
3180h, 3975m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:42.247 >
Iblis whispers your name under his breath as he chants, and you suddenly feel
drained and muddled.
3180h, 3290m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:44.540 >
Drogos arrives from the west.
3180h, 3290m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:44.860 >
Drogos leaves to the east.
3180h, 3290m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:45.802 >
CLANHERE
3180h, 3290m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:46.323 >
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
Iblis whispers your name under his breath as he chants, and you suddenly feel
drained and muddled.
3180h, 2536m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:46.893 >
With his deadly tail, Iblis strikes out at you and stings you.
3180h, 2536m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:47.003 >
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
3180h, 3107m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:47.174 >
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the Rift to 420.
3180h, 3107m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb-
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3180h, 3511m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb-
With a cold smile, a hideous archdemon digs his claws into your flesh, sending a
bolt of excruciating pain through your body.
3180h, 3511m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdbp- < 15:21:47.434 >
You begin to struggle free of your entanglement.
3180h, 3511m, 3828e, 10p elrkdbp- < 15:21:47.564 >
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3180h, 3511m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdbp- < 15:21:48.636 >
Iblis whispers your name under his breath as he chants, and you suddenly feel
drained and muddled.
3180h, 2757m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdbp- < 15:21:49.066 >
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
3180h, 2757m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdbp- < 15:21:49.557 >
You have writhed free of your entanglement.
3180h, 2757m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:50.739 >
Iblis whispers your name under his breath as he chants, and you suddenly feel
drained and muddled.
3180h, 2003m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:51.139 >
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3180h, 2003m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:51.640 >
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
3180h, 2688m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:51.810 >
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the Rift to 419.
3180h, 2688m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:53.283 >
Scourge Iblis d'Murani, Savant of Emaciation says, "Done."
3180h, 2688m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:53.403 >
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3180h, 3092m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:53.703 >
A hideous archdemon grabs your shoulders and gutturally whispers into your mind.
Though the language is harsh and unknown, the words twist in your brain over and
over.
3180h, 3172m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:55.426 >
You aren't such a complete idiot anymore.
3180h, 2922m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:55.576 >
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3180h, 2922m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:56.457 >
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
3180h, 3493m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:21:56.627 >
Muttering words of power, you trace a cobalt blue pentagram in the air that
remains hovering before you, protecting against assault.
3180h, 3463m, 3828e, 10p lrxkdb- < 15:21:57.679 >
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3180h, 3463m, 3828e, 10p lrxkdb- < 15:22:01.244 >
You have recovered equilibrium.
3180h, 3463m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:22:01.534 >
You are:
blind.
deaf.
afflicted by horrible asthma.
an insomniac.
3180h, 3463m, 3828e, 10p lrxkdb- < 15:22:01.795 >
Your bronchial tubes open up and your asthma is cured.
3180h, 3463m, 3828e, 10p lrxkdb- < 15:22:01.965 >
You have recovered equilibrium.
3180h, 3463m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:22:02.356 >
You may drink another purgative or curing potion.
3180h, 3463m, 3828e, 10p elrxkdb- < 15:22:03.407 >
Iblis whispers something to a hideous archdemon.
A hideous archdemon seems to settle down.

Leech is only a marginally lower drain than amissio, and gives you a small portion of mana, on the same equilibrium.

I've found that leech drains 50 odd more, at night or during the day, through the people I've tested on, with 14 int or 19 (me, that is). I don't suppose we could get a Divine response on how it works once and for all, so we can stop the speculation?

It will depend upon the max mana of the target which is better youll find that one will have a higher base drain but a lower percentage while the other probally has a higher percentage drain with a lower base drain. You'd need to test on quite a few people to get the exact ammounts and percentages though

I know it's based on a percentage, but gods can give us an exact percentage.

Do they ever give out information like that? Itll be something like 300+10% or something like that more likely than just a percentage.

Do they ever give out information like that? Itll be something like 300+10% or something like that more likely than just a percentage.

Incidently, four leeches drained 713 mana each time. Amissio drained 663 four times.


1.796 seconds for amissio on average as a mugwump, while leech was 2.952.

And don't discount the mana drain from being tortured (and having to clot), or having to cure ent paralysis. I'm sure you guys can think of ways to drain mana which amissio/leech would ADD to..

You don't understand. Torture is 3 power and requires them to be bound. To even leech someone near half it requires us to be unhindered entirely, them to not do any actions. No this test doesn't take into account the different ways to cause mana drains + amissio, but it also doesn't take into account that the other person isn't gonna sit there like them. We CAN afflict them but generally speaking most top tier combatants don't have trouble with guardian afflictions(personally I don't nor have I been absolved or amissioed in about an OOC year.) I am not saying its impossible, don't get me wrong but I think Amissio + leech need a small buff.

Guardians are pretty much restricted to group combat in the higher tiers. I've only known one Guardian to ever be able to hold his own in a one-on-one situation (Amaru, but he also has help from the Handmaiden).

Celestines also have more useful abilites to kill one on one than nilishts

Like what? Judgement? Soulless? Am I missing something here?

Inquisition being much easier than sacrafice or what the cross thing is called.

And the fact that their mana kill is easier than a nilishts

ah right, inquisition, I keep forgetting that one. I still haven't been able to pull one off, but apparantly it's this secret tech that everyone is buzzed about.

Agreed on the mana kill. Absolve is just an 8p instakill, no setup needed. What's the nihilist one? The wrack thing?

Five power, and they must be bound.

That's really generalized. Nihilists get the tail, torture (and with sensitivity, its pretty nice), etc. Nihilists also get putrefaction, which is a 45% damage reduction to cutting/blunt + demonscales (10%). Celestines just get halo (10%) so they are by far 10x more frail.

Halo's 20%, just FYI, but Narsrim's right. Nihilists do just fine, even if sacrifice is more or less a joke.