Ok, if I say that there are secretly cherub dissidents working to spread the power of Nil in Celestia and therefore Magnagora has just as much justification to be on Celestia as Celest does would you believe me? No. That's because there's no good reason to believe that. There's also no good reason to believe that any proportion of Fae want to be with Glomdoring because there hasn't been any evidence of that in the past. It's just not the case. While yes it could happen it DOESN'T and HASN'T so trying to make arguments around it isn't going to hold any water.

And yes, Maeve is influenced by Moon - I already said she was a special case.

And that's not really a better analogy, Chron, because I'm sure a starfish couldn't care less about whether it was missing a given arm (or indeed whether one of its arms had a hole leaking pus in it. Do starfishes even have pus, hmm.)

And this, boys and girls, is why more inexperienced players choose Celest and Serenwilde. They feel better on an OOC level when they feel they're doing good and upright things on an IC level.

Eh, imagine these are sentient starfish then.

Edit: I don't think that's always true, Xavius. I just think that too much IC opinion is being applied OOCly.

I think that was one of the reasons I ended up picking Druid as my first character at 14 years old on Achaea actually

I'll argue more later but for now I have to enslave some neutral heater-and-boiler glossary spreadsheets for the good of Mother AS-IT

If that was the case, Glomdoring could openly accept it was enslaving the Fae instead of having to bs excuses. The last good one I heard was the reason that Shadowdancer summoned Fae scream in agony when summoned is because they justs "weren't expecting" the summon. I believe Pentu said it would be like if someone yanked you out of the shower.

Cute, amusing - but none-the-less a sad attempt to be "good" when you aren't "good."

Maeve stands symoblical for ALL the fae. That means that at the moment half of the fae are Mooneys, the other Nightys. (Sounds like a bad Broadway Musical )

But yeah. Unofortunately some fae to you. But I don't see why arguments don't hold water....and I'd rather call it discussion, I am in a good mood.
Some fae come to Seren, yeah, and complained about being 'enslaved' by Glom. Those could be called the 'girlyman' of the fae. Unless ALL fae come to you one day and complain to you about being enslaved, THEN oocly, Seren is justified. Until then, there'll always be doubt, 'cause you can't be sure.

Chron openly accepts it - though he is happy to lie to Seren to make it seem like he respects the fae.

I think that's too broad a generalization.

They feel so good in EtherGlom, they hate to have to leave it. Wouldn't you scream too if you were torn out of Paradies? Moondancer fae don't complain though....naughty things must be done to them by the people with the candy!


j/k

Umm, no.

Maeve is a spiritual body that encompasses all Fae. She doesn't support Mother Moon over Mother Night, but she also isn't like 1:1 either. The kelpies, for example, are Fae. Lanikai and Jeitara have major qualms (much like Mother Moon and Mother Night), but she just doesn't pick sides. If we go by your rationale, she's half kelpie and half mutant kelpie too.

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The point Nejii was making is that prior to the restoration of Glomdoring, Fae did not venture in Ethereal Glomdoring. They were afraid of it and in fact if you read the histories, fled from it. Furthermore, the Fae aren't people. They are spirits. Spirits bound into a physical shell. There has been no research in-game to my knowledge to see if this was 1 spirit per 1 shell or 1 spirit per all shells or a mix/match between the two.

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Another difference is that Fae summoned by the Moondancers are normal Fae. They are not bathed in Moonlight. They do not have a silvery glow. This makes perfect sense because Ellindel Treeheart, founder of the Moondancers, gave them their form and befriended them. Had it not been for her intervention, the poison of the Soulless in the Earth would have destroyed them.

While the full history of the Night Coven is not revealed, in its current form, the Fae are bound. They do not come willingly, but must be dragged out of the shadows (screaming in agony) and then enslaved with said shadows.

There is, I feel, a HUGE difference.

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I wish Glomdoring would wise up and just accept themselves. Instead of: "We can be friends of the Fae too, they love us as much as you," I wish we'd see more "The Fae will either love us, or we will make them love us. Or well, they can just be slaves. We'll leave that up to them."

Hm, I am looking forward to answer that fully, but I have a test in a quarter of an hour, so I'll just point something out quickly.
We have some logs about Barghests dissing Chron, from which they seemed to have a bond with the other barghests, but that they still had a strong personality of their own! Pretty interesting, I thought something along those lines, actually.

Barghest, Redcaps, and Slaugh don't exactly count anymore than Mother, Maiden, and Crones. They are Fae, but they have a natural bond with Mother Night/Moon. It isn't exactly the same as a pooka or a pigwidgeon, which are both natural inhabitants of Faethorn. Barghests are not. Furthermore, Barghests didn't even exist until Mother Night was restored.

Hmmm....I'll actually look into that when I have time. Interesting question if all fae are self concious...

I would say no. That is a quality of Mother Night: vanity.

Hmm, everyone seems to be forgeting that Glomdoring charachters/players are themselves slaves to Mother night and Glomdoring, why would binding fae in shadows be any worse than the player who themselves is bound to the absolute laws of Glomdoring?

Fae which are bound in shadows are stronger fae, and have the blessing of mother Night, just as players who take on Nightkiss take on the favour of mother night and are bound in shadows, (especially if they use the garb skill)

Some people understand the possitive aspects to complete and 100% devotion to the point of slavery and other people don't.

As for fae screaming when they get bound...

I know one aspect of Daganev that has remained constant since being in magnagora, is that you can not grow and advance without some sort of loss. Call it the alchemists law of equal exchange, call it "no pain no gain" call it Maschonism, its something that is taught by Crow, can be seen in the very nature of the trees within the Glomdoring, the sickly deer etc. If your not screaming in pain, then your not getting any stronger.

Saying that you think Glomdoring should be all "I'm hurting fae and I love it" is like saying that Serenwilde should be all "Celest is a city, it must be destroyed"

First of all, stop hijacking like you always do. Second of all, Shorlen was falling to the lies that Glomdoring kept feeding him, but you know what? Not a single Seren approached him about it, so it became boring to RP, so I left I kept waiting OOC for people to scream at him for completely disregarding the ways of the Seren by donning that cloak. Not a single person. Ever. Did. I was doing my best to drive Shorlen to the point of doing anything for his cause, slowly becoming more than a bit insane.

But meh, roleplaying with yourself is like masterbating - lonly, predictible, and there are much more fun things to do.

/hijack

I talked to Tsuki and Zenji about it IC. We were plotting, you just left before we had our plan in action.

How is a personal desire dictating another? Aiakon, you describe me as if I'm God. That's lovely, but I'm really not.

You are also the master of quoting statements out of context. Wow. Let me see what I can do...

Just for the record, Maeve isn't just the fae, she's all the Nature spirits combined.