I'm sure I can find a metaphor for incest in there somewhere.

Nice how expressing your personal dislike of your own organisations roleplay suddenly turns into a pissing contest of justification between about twenty people.

Strangely, I completely agree.


Personally, I also suspect that both communes have lost some of their cultural distinctiveness because a certain faction in Serenwilde seem to be trying to make Serenwilde more Glomdoring than Glomdoring. I never got the impression in reading the histories that Serenwilde was a warlike, dominating force... nor that it wanted to control the Fae and Faethorn as much as worship them. Truth be told, it is Serenwilde that has become the forest without mercy, while Glomdoring has become the insular forest of great subtlety and mysticism - something that I had always thought was Serenwilde's main philosophy from the histories.

I can see why our leadership might not want to engage in a battle that we cannot win.

(Note that I'm not trying to say the direction Serenwilde is going is wrong, any more than the direction Glomdoring is going is wrong... I would just like to see certain aspects (and maybe players!) reversed.)

Serenwilde doesn't want to control the Fae. We are under the impression by Mother Moon, Lisaera, and the Fae themselves we are protecting them, which is the ancestral duty of Moondancers.

Furthermore, Serenwilde's qualm with Glomdoring is that it enslaves the Fae. This reminds of what someone said recently: How will Serenwilde respond to the Lake Coven? We'll be pretty peaceful, I imagine. I wouldn't totally object to Fae being lead to Sister Lake. It wouldn't be the same as Mother Moon, but as long as the Fae were being enslaved and forced against their wishes, it wouldn't be something I could justify opposing either.

Serenwilde treats Faethorn as its own territory, obviously. Not as a sovereign realm in its own right that can make its own decisions. Regardless, that is such a minor point of what I said.

The main point is that we already have a commune that believes in using force to achieve its aim, in absolute control to maintain the status quo, in expanding its power at any cost, and in using any means necessary - no matter how violent or cruel it may be to the fae - to empower their faction.

There is very little place for Glomdoring to be unique.

If Ackleberry came out and they could protect the fae better then we could, I would want them there instead. Further more I would wish them to be brought back and forth between the Etherwilde and Etherberry with silver/watery? honeycakes so that glomdoring would never be able to enslave them, and so they would be able to explore more of the Ethereal Plane freely, and safely.

No, it's not. It is based on speaking oocly with players of Serenwilde characters.

Edit: Also, if Ackleberry came out, obviously they would have enough difference with Serenwilde that they would think leaving fae with Moon was inferior to what they can offer/do. Their druids would have to destroy/enhance 'natural' forest, so I doubt it would be the perfect arrangement as according to the histories.

Nice opinion, but no.

To the Moondancers:

1.Having enslaved fae, and fae covered in pretty-taint(wyrd) and fae on the cosmic planes in mutated forms = very very very very very very very very very bad

2.Killing fae to enslave them/change their physical form = very very very very very very very very bad

3.Killing fae just to kill them = very very very very very very very bad

4.Killing fae to return them to their natural unenslaved untainted uncosmicy form = acceptable under the forced circumstances

If anyone doesn't know those things by now they havn't been listening on the forums, or logged into Lusternia for the past half a year.

Edit:I'd also like to add that the quickest way for Serenwilde/Celest relations to become hostile would be for them to change their official policy on the fae.

Why wouldn't Ackleberry when it game back not have a difference with serenwilde? I mean at the moment every organisation has the opportunity to hate each other, celest could hate seren because they abandoned their people to die when they could have saved them, glomdoring and mag because of the whole no taint dosnt exit thingy. It goes on everyones got a reason to dislike or hate every other organisation why would ackleberry be any different?

It would be different. It would have entirely different ideals. That doesn't mean the Moondancers are going to be like: zomg, evil... well, it might happen, but chances at Ackleberry is going to be totally non-enslaving.

If the fae are pulled out of a cloud and chained with watery shackles, sure... MD would oppose that. If not, then chances are we won't.

Chances are they wont introduce an organisation that wont tick off every other organisation in some way then, they would make it exactly the same as every other existing organisation, it'd be to imbalancing to have one that was already obviously aligned with seren even if it was just a neutral alliance, I mean seren and celest arnt even obviously aligned they have a good bit of conflict posiable and it dosnt happen.

Players will always decide these things. Serenwilde has been aligned with Magnagora and Celest at times.

...ish

There's always the occasional God, who coughs slightly from the shadows so that the players steer themselves in the right direction.

Or there should be hopefully or you end up with what happened in achaea everyone vs one city.

Would be nice to see Ackleberry kinda in the middle of Serenwilde and Glomdoring and fully capable of having an alliance so to speak with either, more of like going by their needs and the strengths of others. Say by the time Ackleberry ever comes out the tables have turned on Serenwilde and Glomdoring now dominates the Basin (That would be amazing to see) Ackleberry could go work with them against Serenwilde or work with Serenwilde to push Glomdoring down. Or if Serenwilde still dominates or is kinda in the middle ground they work together in pushing down the cities. Another cool thing to see would be Glomdoring and Serenwilde teaming up for a little while to dominate over the Cities. Ah..the wished for Commune vs. City wars..

I imagine since the fact that Ackelberry's wiccan spirit is related to the Lake instead of the Sky there will be something of a conflict related there. Either they might only care about kelpies and could care less about ethereal fae, or something new and strange none of us thought of yet.

They might even get into a direct conflict with Celest over the nature of water.

I am scared.
If Ackleberry is all about water and Celest is all about water their might end up deciding they all can be friends (after all, Celest has been always friendly to the water kelpies, and helped the dolphins on the water sea) and allying too.
Would be a 3 vs 1 (magnagora) again.
Soooo boring.

Ackleberry better not come about before either Gaudiguch or Hallifax.

A Magnagoran alliance with Hallifax = r0x0r enslavement of the Basin.

But the Moondancers cherish Fae and help them whenever they can. Ackleberry will love us!



I agree, I predict Gaudiguch and Hallifax will come out at least 6 months before Ackleberry. And the impact will determine the design for Ackleberry.