Laysus2006-03-24 18:29:50
If we're being pedantic, black and white aren't colours. They're the absense of colour, and the mixture of all colours (going by light rather than dye style mixture), black on the rgb scale being and white being
Narsrim2006-03-24 18:32:01
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white ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hwt, wt)
n.
The achromatic color of maximum lightness; the color of objects that reflect nearly all light of all visible wavelengths; the complement or antagonist of black, the other extreme of the neutral gray series. Although typically a response to maximum stimulation of the retina, the perception of white appears always to depend on contrast.
black ( P ) Pronunciation Key (blk)
n.
The achromatic color value of minimum lightness or maximum darkness; the color of objects that absorb nearly all light of all visible wavelengths; one extreme of the neutral gray series, the opposite being white. Although strictly a response to zero stimulation of the retina, the perception of black appears to depend on contrast with surrounding color stimuli.
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Laysus2006-03-24 18:41:42
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white ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hwt, wt)
n.
The achromatic color of maximum lightness; the color of objects that reflect nearly all light of all visible wavelengths; the complement or antagonist of black, the other extreme of the neutral gray series. Although typically a response to maximum stimulation of the retina, the perception of white appears always to depend on contrast.
black ( P ) Pronunciation Key (blk)
n.
The achromatic color value of minimum lightness or maximum darkness; the color of objects that absorb nearly all light of all visible wavelengths; one extreme of the neutral gray series, the opposite being white. Although strictly a response to zero stimulation of the retina, the perception of black appears to depend on contrast with surrounding color stimuli.
n.
The achromatic color of maximum lightness; the color of objects that reflect nearly all light of all visible wavelengths; the complement or antagonist of black, the other extreme of the neutral gray series. Although typically a response to maximum stimulation of the retina, the perception of white appears always to depend on contrast.
black ( P ) Pronunciation Key (blk)
n.
The achromatic color value of minimum lightness or maximum darkness; the color of objects that absorb nearly all light of all visible wavelengths; one extreme of the neutral gray series, the opposite being white. Although strictly a response to zero stimulation of the retina, the perception of black appears to depend on contrast with surrounding color stimuli.
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Definitions of achromatic on the Web:
Having no color or hue; without identifiable hue. Most blacks, whites, grays, and browns are achromatic.
www.ackland.org/tours/classes/glossary.html
Having no color or hue; without identifiable hue. Most blacks, whites, grays, and browns are achromatic.
www.ackland.org/tours/classes/glossary.html
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Narsrim2006-03-24 18:44:19
My response:
ach·ro·mat·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-mtk)
adj.
Designating color perceived to have zero saturation and therefore no hue, such as neutral grays, white, or black.
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Your silly non-dictionary site is wrong.
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ach·ro·mat·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-mtk)
adj.
Designating color perceived to have zero saturation and therefore no hue, such as neutral grays, white, or black.
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Your silly non-dictionary site is wrong.
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Laysus2006-03-24 18:53:50
You see, the problem there, is that both the terms zero saturation and no hue mean... no actual colour. It's only defining black and white as a colour for laymans terms
You see, if you have zero saturation, that means that the colour value can be whatever, but the amount of that colour in the specified area is 0, so absense of colour.
You'll also find Hue means shade or tint or in fact just plain colour. If it has no hue, it has no shade, therefore... no colour.
Plus Achromatic, literal meaning, is something like without colouring
I've been doing colour based digital image processing all year, I had to teach myself a lot of it, so I picked up a few things about colour on the way
You see, if you have zero saturation, that means that the colour value can be whatever, but the amount of that colour in the specified area is 0, so absense of colour.
You'll also find Hue means shade or tint or in fact just plain colour. If it has no hue, it has no shade, therefore... no colour.
Plus Achromatic, literal meaning, is something like without colouring
I've been doing colour based digital image processing all year, I had to teach myself a lot of it, so I picked up a few things about colour on the way
ferlas2006-03-24 18:57:06
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 24 2006, 05:16 PM) 273109
How do you time a power move in between actions? I mean seriously, that's absurd. Even more so with knights, because you have to somehow time both arms on balance.
Webs the handyist way to time but apparently im not worth listening to anyway as I always assume the worst case scenario
Narsrim2006-03-24 19:01:51
Your personal opinions, while interesting, are inferior to a golden standard. The dictionary is continually trumping you...
chro·mat·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-mtk)
adj
Relating to color perceived to have a saturation greater than zero.
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Webs the handyist way to time but apparently im not worth listening to anyway as I always assume the worst case scenario
Under normal circumstances, I would argue that given the massive impact of size on writhe speed, it isn't all that feasible to time for most abilities... that is if you were worth listening to *tease*
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chro·mat·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-mtk)
adj
Relating to color perceived to have a saturation greater than zero.
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QUOTE(ferlas @ Mar 24 2006, 01:57 PM) 273182
Webs the handyist way to time but apparently im not worth listening to anyway as I always assume the worst case scenario
Under normal circumstances, I would argue that given the massive impact of size on writhe speed, it isn't all that feasible to time for most abilities... that is if you were worth listening to *tease*
Laysus2006-03-24 19:02:19
note again, the whole saturation thing.
The "a" prefix means without, so without colour percieved to have a saturation greater than 0 means without a real colour. A saturation of 0 means it is colourless.
Your own dictionary trumps you because you don't read what I say
The "a" prefix means without, so without colour percieved to have a saturation greater than 0 means without a real colour. A saturation of 0 means it is colourless.
Your own dictionary trumps you because you don't read what I say
Narsrim2006-03-24 19:04:29
QUOTE(Laysus @ Mar 24 2006, 02:02 PM) 273184
note again, the whole saturation thing.
The "a" prefix means without, so without colour percieved to have a saturation greater than 0 means without a real colour. A saturation of 0 means it is colourless.
Your own dictionary trumps you because you don't read what I say
I win again.
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ach·ro·mat·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-mtk)
adj.
Designating color perceived to have zero saturation and therefore no hue, such as neutral grays, white, or black.
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Laysus2006-03-24 19:07:18
Note, dictionary.com doesn't use scientific terms, but rather laymans terms.
In scientific terms, especially those referring to vision, black and white are not colours
Now, I'mma shut up and let people get back on topic.
In scientific terms, especially those referring to vision, black and white are not colours
Now, I'mma shut up and let people get back on topic.
Narsrim2006-03-24 19:14:09
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pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
Pronunciation: 'n(y)ü-m&-(")nO-"&l-tr&-"mI-kr&-'skäp-ik-'sil-i-(")kO-väl-'kA-nO-"kO-nE-'O-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural pneu·mo·no·ul·tra·mi·cro·scop·ic·sil·i·co·vol·ca·no·co·ni·o·ses /-"sEz/
: a pneumoconiosis caused by inhalation of very fine silicate or quartz dust
This word doesn't even exist in "laymans terms." Thus, your generalization of the dictionary is incorrect. It contains medical references with appropriate scientific, medical definitions.
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Unknown2006-03-24 19:14:16
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Achromatic Colors
The "hueless" colors black, gray, and white, that is, the whole range of gray levels between black and white.
ISO Definition: Perceived colors devoid of hue. The color names white, gray and black are commonly used or, for transmitting objects, colorless and neutral. (Source: ISO 9241-8 (1997-10-00) ISO/TC 159)
Funny stuff.
Cwin2006-03-24 19:25:10
Pookas to color definitions.
Best...Hyjack.. Ever!
Best...Hyjack.. Ever!
Xavius2006-03-24 20:34:57
And I feel now would be a good time to refer you both to my signature.
Manjanaia2006-03-24 20:40:31
Main Entry: col·or
Variant: or chiefly British col·our /'k&l-&r/
Function: noun
1 a : a phenomenon of light (as red, brown, pink, or gray) or visual perception that enables one to differentiate otherwise identical objects Indicates that grey, white and black are colours b : the aspect of objects and light sources that may be described in terms of hue, lightness, and saturation for objects and hue, brightness, and saturation for light sources Indicates that grey, white and black are colours c : a hue as contrasted with black, white, or gray Indicates that grey, white and black aren't colours
I'd give the point to Narsrim but I'm no expert.
Variant: or chiefly British col·our /'k&l-&r/
Function: noun
1 a : a phenomenon of light (as red, brown, pink, or gray) or visual perception that enables one to differentiate otherwise identical objects Indicates that grey, white and black are colours b : the aspect of objects and light sources that may be described in terms of hue, lightness, and saturation for objects and hue, brightness, and saturation for light sources Indicates that grey, white and black are colours c : a hue as contrasted with black, white, or gray Indicates that grey, white and black aren't colours
I'd give the point to Narsrim but I'm no expert.
Torak2006-03-24 20:48:21
Another insane powerful/smart force. It takes timing but at the same time is easily triggered. Your chances of recovering from something like this is slim to none.
You move sluggishly into action.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk- < 22:49:13.030 >
Narsrim eats a bog myrtle leaf.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk- < 22:49:13.310 >
Narsrim eats a bog myrtle leaf.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk-
sip quicksilver
diagnose
You return to the normal timestream.
insomnia
drink mana
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk- < 22:49:14.171 >
You feel your will manipulated by a pooka.
You cease concentrating on maintaining distance from the dreamworld.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk-
Narsrim grabs some glowing glyphs and throws them at you.
metawake on
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxkp- < 22:49:14.272 >
You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.
wake
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxkp- < 22:49:14.332 >
You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxkp-
You move sluggishly into action.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk- < 22:49:13.030 >
Narsrim eats a bog myrtle leaf.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk- < 22:49:13.310 >
Narsrim eats a bog myrtle leaf.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk-
sip quicksilver
diagnose
You return to the normal timestream.
insomnia
drink mana
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk- < 22:49:14.171 >
You feel your will manipulated by a pooka.
You cease concentrating on maintaining distance from the dreamworld.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxk-
Narsrim grabs some glowing glyphs and throws them at you.
metawake on
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxkp- < 22:49:14.272 >
You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.
wake
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxkp- < 22:49:14.332 >
You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.
3332h, 2355m, 3828e, 10p elrxkp-
Shamarah2006-03-24 20:59:23
QUOTE(Torak @ Mar 24 2006, 03:48 PM) 273217
You feel your will manipulated by a pooka.
You cease concentrating on maintaining distance from the dreamworld.
What command is that?
Torak2006-03-24 21:02:19
Metawake off. No power and you can do it off equil.
Murphy2006-03-25 03:56:02
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 25 2006, 12:27 AM) 273044
Are you attempting to justify that someone should be able to be slain in 3 combos? Do keep in mind, every one of the 3 combos can stun. In fact, a common characteristic I notice is that I die because in either the 1st or 2nd combo, I'm hit with facture skull (33% command failure), dulak (stupidity, 33% command failure), break nose (stun) at once - often on the first combo.
You basically have to keep rebounding up and attempt to cure in 1-1.5 seconds before the next combo hits in a 66% command failing state.
Can you beat Murphy hindering? I would love to see a log where you just casually disregard his wounding and hinder here and there and everything is just dandy.
No it doesn't. Knockdown isn't void just because you are stancing. It just has a chance not to hit. It will still hit over 50% of the time.
Ok Now it's time to put you in your place Narsrim, you make false accusations and you totally fabricate things that the the exact OPPOSITE of what's been said.
First things first, stance legs at trans combat with nominal dex generally means i can't hit them, and if i DO manage to hit them it's maybe a 10% chance or less.
Secondly have you done extensive testing to make sure that fracture skull stacks on dulak for a 66% failure rate? If so please post logs.
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 25 2006, 03:16 AM) 273109
Murphy didn't suggest BC changes. He isn't the envoy. Daevos is. Likewise, I know Murphy damn well. He has already threatened to quit playing Lusternia if X-nerfs happen and play his soon-to-be Snake there. Again, let's stop with the silly assumptions.
How do you time a power move in between actions? I mean seriously, that's absurd. Even more so with knights, because you have to somehow time both arms on balance.
Ok this is what really annoys me about you Narsrim, you tell so many mistruths and again i'll repeat myself the OPPOSITE.
I have suggested a lot of BC changes, but in case you missed it i'll do it AGAIN.
1: The breaking ribs affliction to be changed to not stun, and do something else that isn't as debilitating as stun.
2: The Breaknose affliction changed from stunning to giving amnesia (That is, the very next command you make doesn't fire, not constant amnesia like concussion)
3: Burstorgans to be an 8 second instakill instead of 20, 8 seconds is long enough to cure it but short enough for me to make you miss it if i get you messed up and you don't cure properly.
4: Wind to be made a heavy affliction and vomitblood to be made a medium one (Ie swap places) Wind is too easy to get and should be a heavy affliction.
Those are only a FEW of the changes i have suggested to Daevos and to everyone else. Stop your defamation of my character and what I say.
Notice in the 4 spars previous Narsrim, I beat you. I didn't crush your head to start the fight with, hell i didn't even crush all that much to begin with. I took the time to mangle your leg (which you didn't cure very well) And you just tumble whored around so i had to chase your ass around the arena to finish you off. I got your head way past concussion so my 'excessive' wounding didn't play too much into it as i would've gotten you in a few more combos anyway.
I didn't go for the 4X crush knockdown smitedown kill, I took the time to disable you and then take your head apart, and quite frankly it pisses me off that you can force people's power feats on them, and I'd implore you in the name of good sportsmanship to not use any of those moves, including making me clumsy with hidden hexes and then forcing me to crucify myself (which we did in testing, how fun)
Now get back on topic this is about forcing power feats, some of them take timing, others like trueheal do not take any timing at all just for them to have 10 power. It shouldn't be able to be done period, or we should get a message that a pooka is in control of our actions like soulmasters on achaea.
I challenge you Narsrim to stay on topic and not bend it around my own class being 'overpowered'. Powerfeats should be unforable no matter who you are.
Narsrim2006-03-25 05:30:54
And where were these changes suggested Murphy? Were they in Daevos's envoy report? I asked you before and you said they were not so...
Notice in the 4 spars previous Narsrim, I beat you. I didn't crush your head to start the fight with, hell i didn't even crush all that much to begin with. I took the time to mangle your leg (which you didn't cure very well) And you just tumble whored around so i had to chase your ass around the arena to finish you off. I got your head way past concussion so my 'excessive' wounding didn't play too much into it as i would've gotten you in a few more combos anyway.
We drew once, I believe you won twice. You beat me once with my triggers off (which was stupid, but I don't really count that). We stopped once on your request where I was winning (I could have just killed you if I was interested in raw wins, but no). I then beat you twice with my spiffy narsrim-original mental affliction allhex/aeon/sleep combo and you got upset.
What you are failing to tell me people is that you were convinced it was impossible (or nearly) to cure that many mental afflictions (since curing anorexia after impatience is random) and get out because I was able to stack up more and more and more. I told you to use Hod, which you were able to do.
You also fail to go into detail about what I discussed. The point of pulp wasn't to drain your power. That didn't really matter because you will still be left with 2p. If hod cures anorexia (which I have no way of knowing), the combo fails and I've lost 10p. The point was to knock you off balance/eq on the intent you wouldn't have time to use it - not even once. Next time, I'll just force something with an insane off-balance time on the first attack like secrets. This will buy far more time than pulp did.
I'm an adaptive fighter. If power feats are made unforce-able, I can deal with that; however, I recognize many greater imbalances and given this sort of thing tends to have happen once in a blue moon when Narsrim is bored fighting Murphy (Terenas has left us) in the arena, I don't see any priority. I likewise support focus spirit (not focus body/mind because I don't think 250 mana every 12 seconds is imbalancing) being remove as a force -or- just making focus spirit not consume mana if it can't cure anything, but would still knock the person off focus-balance.
QUOTE(Murphy @ Mar 24 2006, 10:56 PM) 273302
Notice in the 4 spars previous Narsrim, I beat you. I didn't crush your head to start the fight with, hell i didn't even crush all that much to begin with. I took the time to mangle your leg (which you didn't cure very well) And you just tumble whored around so i had to chase your ass around the arena to finish you off. I got your head way past concussion so my 'excessive' wounding didn't play too much into it as i would've gotten you in a few more combos anyway.
We drew once, I believe you won twice. You beat me once with my triggers off (which was stupid, but I don't really count that). We stopped once on your request where I was winning (I could have just killed you if I was interested in raw wins, but no). I then beat you twice with my spiffy narsrim-original mental affliction allhex/aeon/sleep combo and you got upset.
What you are failing to tell me people is that you were convinced it was impossible (or nearly) to cure that many mental afflictions (since curing anorexia after impatience is random) and get out because I was able to stack up more and more and more. I told you to use Hod, which you were able to do.
You also fail to go into detail about what I discussed. The point of pulp wasn't to drain your power. That didn't really matter because you will still be left with 2p. If hod cures anorexia (which I have no way of knowing), the combo fails and I've lost 10p. The point was to knock you off balance/eq on the intent you wouldn't have time to use it - not even once. Next time, I'll just force something with an insane off-balance time on the first attack like secrets. This will buy far more time than pulp did.
I'm an adaptive fighter. If power feats are made unforce-able, I can deal with that; however, I recognize many greater imbalances and given this sort of thing tends to have happen once in a blue moon when Narsrim is bored fighting Murphy (Terenas has left us) in the arena, I don't see any priority. I likewise support focus spirit (not focus body/mind because I don't think 250 mana every 12 seconds is imbalancing) being remove as a force -or- just making focus spirit not consume mana if it can't cure anything, but would still knock the person off focus-balance.