Nonono, when there was a thread made about it, all were clueless about it. It was changed later, but no one knew until then. If some people knew about it, didn't mention it and continued to use it, they should be shrubbed.

Daevos and ekard show self restraint by not using their most powerful and overpowered combos.

Narsrim shows his lack of self restraint by using his most overpowered combo.

I cant see anything attacking in this.

It was reported twice. I've bugged. I'm sure Daevos has bugged it.

Likewise, I would point how again - I'm the person who is being targeted when Daevos too is using an ability that is supposed to be removed and "taking time from their other projects to add safeguards." It isn't like I'm doing it to you. I'm doing it to Daevos and once to Ixion/Murphy, but really, that's it.

Because daevos isnt using his most stupidly overpowered uncounterable move.

You are.

Last time I checked, they both use thunderclap. You obviously don't have a problem with thunderclap, which is fine, but all the envoys - including daevos - did and it is being removed. Lets try and keep that in mind.

No. That would be what Ferlas said + something nasty and rude. That falls under the radar in my book.

Nevertheless, this is a really silly thread. Nars, carry right on using toadcurse. Why not? You've emissaried it. Nothing has happened. This game is just going to get superlatively silly if we all start regulating ourselves according to some sort of arbitrary player's scale. It simply isn't going to happen.. and since the admins know about it, leave it be and carry right on as you would if these forums didn't exist and none of us had ever had this argument. That's my advice anyway.

That's been my plan the whole time, I just enjoy this chit chat with Ferlas and company.

He's not actually taking any time from their other projects to add safeguards, because it is being removed whether he's using it or not. I also don't see thunderclap as being anywhere NEAR as cheap as this, hence why you are being targetted. Thunderclap seems easily survivable if you're level 80+, unless you've got a lovely little level 3 susceptibility to it. *shrugs* I didn't have a problem with it versus Aesyra. Its power truly comes into play in group combat. This little trick of yours works in group combat *or* solo combat, with more power in solo combat.

I survive Tclap at level 74, did with 700 health once. Also, Aiakon it is about keeping some balance in the realm since envoys are looking to still be a few months away. Admins shouldn't have to regulate everything that happens on this realm, we could go around trample/sacrificing damn near everyone but we don't because simply put, it is lame. When you have something insane as this you are supposed to be the better person and not abuse the hell out of it until the admins fix it. This is the problem with alot of the realm, people have to have admins fix every little thing for them, everyone has to be treated like a 5 year old and be told not to do things because it is 'wrong'.

That's your opinion - which you are very much entitled to have; however, you also are being constantly destroyed because while attempting to do X while 200-300 health below max you and an entire army was wiped out in a single attack. I disagree.

As for the damage type of thunderclap, I don't have a level 3 weakness to it. I believe Hajamin said at one point its damage type was unblockable. It deals about 80% max health to everyone. You will also note than when people die to it, it is a "misadventure" death not a "shocked into an early grave" death.

Oh and speaking of Aesyra... did she tell you that if you invest an angel with sensitivity/kneel and thunderclap after it hits, it will deal over 100% of your max health? We tested it several times - its insane.

There's no way I can agree with this, if we did regulate ourselfs and we didn't ack like idiots or asses then there would be no need for the avenger or pk rules in any games. Safe guards are added because people are to immature and have no self restraint. I just wish more people would be like ekard who has common sense and self restraint.

The point Aiakon was making is that opinions vary. It is foolish to expect any large amount of people who are on opposite ends of a spectrum in a game to adjust to the arbitrary opinions of a few. Case in point: You probably give a shit less if Daevos keeps using thunderclap even though it is known to be too poweful and is being removed, but you have serious issues with cannibalize/toadcurse.

There is no objectivity whatsoever to that.

But the opinions on this are unamious, everyone even your self agrees that its overpowered and cheap.

So why cant we show self restraint and not use it?

Except you already said this was cheap (ie, bad).

I'm sure you'll all forgive me for not being Lisaera, and using the following quote - Stop acting like Idiots, much less immature ones. I hate having to be redundant, much less with this statement, but Grow Up. None of you are little children, I assume most of you are in fact adults, or near it.

And for the record, the Admin do not appreciate, in any way, shape, or form, people doing something specifically in an effort to make it happen faster or be altered. All that is going to do is really piss us off.