Okay, this is just something I thought up. Could be useless/stupid could be neat, I dunno. I was thinking it would be neat to use esteem a bit more and possibly add it in with debating. Sorta like esteem is you're... self esteem that gets boosted by beating Denizens, right?? So maybe something like if you lose a debate, you lose 5 esteem and the winner gets 5 esteem. If you don't have 5 esteem, the winner gets what you have left, to prevent people from getting unlimited esteem (lose debate with 0 esteem, you get 5, they lose nothing). And/or maybe for a large amount of esteem (50 to 100) you can "unshatter" yourself. The message could be "You allow your esteem to flow throught your mind, restoring your confidence," which cuse shattered ego. This could only be done with personal esteem, not esteem found in items (so you really could only do it once or twice per village influece, say). *shrug* just some random ideas. Thoughts? Sorry if this is hard to follow... kinda rushed it. Must mow lawn

That second idea is, actually, very nice. I'd definitely support that being added.

Wow, I LOVE the second idea. Getting unshattered because of your esteem would be so cool. It would be interesting because you'd have to learn to use it wisely in an influence, just like power in a fast fight. It would be annoying to unshatter yourself and then turn out to be a waste though... :/

I'd love another use for esteem, and the second one's a pretty nifty idea!

How about we make an ability in influence that lets us load flowers with esteem, and when we point the flowers at someone during an influence, they lose 75% of their maxego? It would come with a nifty message like

"Pointing a yellow lily at you, Soll mutters some words and suddenly rainbowbeams of goodness flood around you, calming you down and decreasing your will to argue with someone."

Silly pacifist.

*point flower at tzekelkan*
*debate tzekelkan with snugglyness*
*watch tzekelkan burn out*

Let's be friends!

*point innocent kitty at Astheru*
*mindset snugglylover*
*debate Astheru with corpseofdivinedeva*

I like it. How about it can cure burnout too?

first part I'm not getting your example between brackets, as I read it you are saying

person 1: 3 esteem
person 2: random esteem

person 2 wins and gets 3 esteem

person 1: 0 esteem
person 2: random esteem

person 2 wins and gets 5 esteem? (if this is what you meaned I don't agree with it)


Personally I would rather leave esteem as it is, it was meaned to give influencers a chance to offer, and esteem is accually more effective then corpses for sanctify/defile, there really isn't a need to make it more powerfull.

Umn... not to spoil any ideas but isn't esteem essentially just a way for influencers/pacifists to offer to their gods without actually killing? The only real difference being that it could be stored up because you don't get a corpse and unless begged the denizens don't give an item...

Oh well...

This is a neat idea but I don't think its needed...debating others out is already too difficult if they really don't want to be shattered all you have to do is run run run run run...

I like the idea of being able to use esteem to recover from being shattered. I think it should be at least 50% esteem to do it since it's extremely useful, and thus should you have to work for it.

I would also love to be able to un-burnout yourself. Or just not remain burnt out from the arena. Or both.