Some advice...

by Verithrax

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ferlas2006-04-11 15:29:41
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I'll do it for him. It's not compassionate in terms of Lusternia *because they're going to come right back*. They still will have "no quality of life and no real life any more," but they'll have grace too. Of course, it's different if you drive them to suicide...

... which really isn't compassionate.


My belief was that ic you dont know your going to come back?
Daganev2006-04-11 15:31:25
Thats a completly illogical belief, especially if you've been involved in combat, and don't live in Glomdoring. (rez abililties and all that tongue.gif)
ferlas2006-04-11 15:35:24
Not really the fates start to bicker then bring be back because apparently my time isnt up yet and I still have stuff to do or it would ruin the thread or something if I was taken now, what happens if I start to pray and they say yup this ones pretty much done in snip em!.
Daganev2006-04-11 15:37:25
You shouldn't pray so much tongue.gif

There are about 5 or 6 ways in which a person will have no doubt in their comming back to life... and even if you are praying, sometimes someone will bring you back in the middle, so even if the fates decide to keep you dead, one of your city mates will eventually find your dead body and bring you back, since you've been missing for too long.
ferlas2006-04-11 15:46:12
There still the chance that this time could be the last time though dont you think?
Daganev2006-04-11 15:50:09
Name a case...

I mean, its still possible that there are dragons hiding under the mountains of Japan, its just that nobody has ever seen them or heard of someone who has seen them... but there is still a small chance!
ferlas2006-04-11 15:50:48
Thats the thing occ we know it isnt going to happen, ic we dont, suspend your disbelief?
Daganev2006-04-11 15:52:51
IC I have never heard of a case where someone wants to come back to life, but doesn't. And I've never seen any of the people I'm around, morn the loss of another person who I can't myself message, and whom the mail delivery system will tell me, they can't mail anything to them.
ferlas2006-04-11 15:56:25
Fair enough, not everyone always sees stuff. But dosnt even the fates converstaion indicate to you that they arnt going to keep sending you back again and again? One of them even seems a bit reluctant to send you back now, I mean ic how long until they decide im not important enough to the weave to be sent back?
Xenthos2006-04-11 15:59:05
QUOTE(ferlas @ Apr 11 2006, 11:35 AM) 278282

Not really the fates start to bicker then bring be back because apparently my time isnt up yet and I still have stuff to do or it would ruin the thread or something if I was taken now, what happens if I start to pray and they say yup this ones pretty much done in snip em!.

Note that NEARLY EVERY DEATH you're not going to meet the Fates. You conglutinate, or you vitae, or you get sacrificed for, or you get a transmigrate, or you lich... these are all 100% assured "I will survive and be restored!" things. There's no argument, no risk, both sides know that you're not going going to meet the fates and have your thread cut (well, unless they go out of their way to force it...)

I've died quite a bit, but it's been ages since I prayed... since I generally don't raid, nor do I make a fuss on Prime in neutral territory. I mostly defend (and used to play in Faethorn from time to time, but that's ended now).
Daganev2006-04-11 16:02:05
I can't say this for sure from a mechanics point of view, but I could easily argue IC, that Necromancers for example, are able to bypass the Fates, even if they do decide to cut your thread, and that definitly, the power of the Glomdoring nexus, and its connection to the fae can insure that when you are immolated, that will override any plans the fates might have for you tongue.gif
ferlas2006-04-11 16:04:55
Definatly once the fates decide your gone and are going to snip you could still use other things to avoid meeting your end like immolation or lich etc. But still that does mean that eventually when you do meet them your going to get snipped dosnt it?
Daganev2006-04-11 16:06:33
No, because I can be in the middle of overhearing the fates, hear one of them say "we really shouldn't retore him" and then all of a sudden find my friend looking over me at the nexus.
ferlas2006-04-11 16:10:11
And what happens if your praying and then the fates say yup time to snip him, her time is up, and your friend is to late and there is no longer any corpse?
Aiakon2006-04-11 17:16:59
QUOTE(ferlas @ Apr 11 2006, 05:10 PM) 278301

And what happens if your praying and then the fates say yup time to snip him, her time is up, and your friend is to late and there is no longer any corpse?


Then that's the end of that. Like suiciding.

I'm with you on this one, Ferlas. I like to think of praying as a risk every time.
Verithrax2006-04-11 17:29:59
I have to agree. Roleplaying a character who's reckless because he has taken the proper precautions (Vitae, Lich, Conglutinate, Ressurection, Resurgem/Sacrifice, Immolate): Normal

Roleplaying a character who's a reckless moron with a deathwish: Alright.

Roleplaying a character who's a reckless moron because he thinks the Fates would never snip his thread: Bad form.
Unknown2006-04-11 17:40:19
That's why we should get some other system in place of lame Fates who decide your fate.
Daganev2006-04-11 17:44:26
QUOTE(ferlas @ Apr 11 2006, 09:10 AM) 278301

And what happens if your praying and then the fates say yup time to snip him, her time is up, and your friend is to late and there is no longer any corpse?


Has that ever happened?

Its like asking in the real world, what if you get burried and your body never decays. There are cases of slow decay, and religious rumors of people never decaying, but nobody has ever found a non decayed body.


Why is it bad for your charachter to not believe in something they have never seen evidence for?

Infact, my charachter HAS met someone who's string was cut, and yet came back.
Unknown2006-04-11 17:53:05
QUOTE(ferlas @ Apr 11 2006, 11:57 PM) 278222

No it is relevant. You do not understand my origninal point it seems and im trying to explain it to you a bit at a time so you can understand it, think of this as educational.

You are skirting around and trying to avoid the actual question. Explain to me how it isnt compasinate to kill or put down something that has no quality of life and no real life any more?

Of course if you dont wish to understand what I am trying to say to you feel free to continue avoiding the question.


Or amusing.
I gave you two answers - pick one.

Shall I simplify further for you:

1. It is (insert random invalid justification)
2. It isn't (insert random invalid justification)

Now please, proceed.
Daganev2006-04-11 18:31:24
razorvine, not to insult you or anything, but the question was HOW.. therefore, its not a yes or no answer.