Name another skill can can get you into a defended stock room is why its the best class for theives.

They tweeked manses back when aetherships came out, so they work similar to differant zones now.



I'm going to have to start wasting tens of thousands of gold scrying you just to freak you out from now on.

It would hardly be original. Gavilian, Anisu, and Thoros already do that. Constantly.

On second thought, no, I'm just to poor to pay for that many scry enchantments.

So ... don't sit in your stockroom. If you're scrolled up to check over things anyway, duck in the stockroom, check IH, type MORE a bunch of times until you're at the end, and then dash out and be scrolled up out there. I'm a Moondancer and even I don't sit in the stockroom of any shop I have access to. I go in, do what I intend to do quickly, and get out.

On a related note, wonder if this is too long to be my warcry: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Once upon a time, stores did not contain eye sigils and Yrael was pleased. He went forth to Serenwilde and Celest was looted, becoming rich and mad with power, while swarms of Nihilist newbies demanded to know how he did it. Yrael was clever, however, and didn't tell the Serenwilders-as-nihilists.

Thus goes the gospel of Yrael. I wish I was a god. I'd turn Shiri into a football and take him to the park every day for walkies. A football with little fuzzy furrikini legs.

'Common' sense is no where as common as one would make it out to be. If that was the case we wouldn't have had hundreds of threads complaining about Lichdom/Trueheal/Sacrifice/Pooka, etc. I'm sorry but I don't see how it makes any sense that it would be 'common' sense for Moon users to ask for Beam to be further changed when you yourself feel that Succumb is fine the way it is even though I'd think it's too powerful.

another way would be to...oh i don't know go to their shop, drop a greaterpentagram so they couldn't even tumble, then start your moonbeam to them, then you can rob their shop to your heart's content.

With a buddy you could get them to drop the greater pent and then you could be a wiccan (i'm assumning they are forced into lowmagic) and after you take all their stock, you can take their pack and everything they are wearing too. After that, you could even toadcurse them to strip all their defs, make them energylink you all their reserves and then to top it off, lock them and leave them in their shop.

While they do what, stand there?

Simple prevention: never be afk in a shop stockroom! Is that actually difficult? After all, the first sentence in HELP AFK states: "Lusternia has a simple, easy-to-understand policy on being AFK: It's not allowed."

Similarly, if you're lagging, don't go in a shop stockroom then either. The world will not come to an end if you wait a day to restock or do inventory.

The only way there should conceivably be an opening for anything is if you lose your connection in the short time between entering the stockroom, doing what you came to do, and getting out. I can see no reason to stand in a stockroom more than a minute, max.

Still don't think moonbeams should work to stockrooms but, even if it IS easy to get out.

Theft prevention is easy in general - doesn't mean theft should be allowed/encouraged just on that basis.

I was just disagreing with your comment that everyone wants their own skills to be kept the same and not downgraded. My example was pooka, its overpowered that I can force powerfeats as against some people keep them at 0 power constantly. Thats overpowered I admit I have an overpowered ability because I have common sence. Everyone has agreed that some of the things you can do with pooka are overpowered.

With succumb its a different matter its to powerful against inept magic but isnt powerful enough against trans magic. At trans its about a bit better than all other mana drains if it hits twice. Shadowdancers have less abilites to lock people down than moondancers, celestines or nilhists so they have better mana drain.


Your solution wouldnt work tsuki, not being afk won't help you when you try to leave the shop and hit a great pentagram.

So, the thief-and-accomplice duo is going to sit around being prepared to notice when a shopkeeper enters his/her stockroom, to rush over there, set the great pentagram, and go in in the less-than-a-minute the shopkeeper should be spending in the stockroom. Alright, theoretically possible. But then, the shopkeeper would still have to stand there and do nothing for awhile to have the situation Murphy mentioned happen.

If they try to leave and can't, they can grab up their own stock (at least some/most) before the moonbeam will go through for the thief to have a chance to begin stealing it.

Maybe because I already have a suggestion in my next Envoy to modify it slightly? Sure, it's not the same one you and Narsrim wanted (a power cost), but I feel it's more balancing to the skill as a whole than still allowing it to insta-kill an inept magic and be neutered completely against trans.

You enter your shop you start to drop stuff and put the needed commands in, suddendly there is a moonbeam ah you try to leave oh dear you cant quick roll out? tumble? start picking stuff up? Panic?

Ah you mangage to get some of the stuff up if your really fast oh no so and so has allhexed me and is aeoning me, im a average combatant at best im getting killed, Im killed. so and so helps themselves to a lot of my stock.

Nothing is foolproof sweety but you keep doing it and eventually it will happen, the sheer fact that is it possiable though makes moonbeam one of the best skills for stealing.

And tell me tell me tell me! Night skills!

Of course nothing is foolproof.

However, there is no balance/eq recovery time needed to drop(singly)/price items. Speaking from a personal perspective, here's what I do for stocking:

1) Prepare all items in my inventory. Copy inventory (II) to Notepad.
2) Go through in Notepad file and prepare a list for dropping and pricing everything.
3) Copy the prepared list of commands to enter.
4) Use the shopin alias (to enter the stockroom), paste the commands, use the shopout alias (to leave the stockroom).

Approximate time spent in stockroom? 5-10 seconds, figuring generously? No matter how fast you sprint, if you a ) notice I'm in the stockroom, b ) run to just outside it (if it's a shop you can sprint directly to), and c) try to drop a great pentagram ... if you do that before I'm out, you deserve the entire contents of the stockroom.

Of course, not everyone has a client where they can set up aliases and copy/paste strings of commands, right? Well, if you are unable to run a shop in the safest manner possible, either don't own one or expect that you're more vulnerable.

I have to admit that it really isn't fair to tell shopowners they should spend 10 seconds or less organizing and pricing their stock because otherwise they deserve to be robbed. I understand you're saying that you -can- avoid most situations like this, but the average shopkeeper is going to spend around a minute at a time if dropping stock and repricing.

If moonbeam only worked at night, would that be too limiting?

That's rather unfair. If you get involved in combat you are expected to have a system, but getting involved in shopkeeping should not involve having to change clients and set up systems so you don't get robbed. Nerfing moonbeam so you can't get into stockrooms is perfectly within reason because moonbeaming into stockrooms shouldn't happen.
(Although saying it shouldn't go indoors at all is rather a shallow attempt at trying to get skills you don't have nerfed more than they need to be.)

Not in terms of Game fairness.. but in game, it would be seriously odd if it didn't. Unless you RP up stockrooms as being specially enchanted against it or something.

I don't like stealing, I don't much like the potential of moonbeam. But on the other hand, I would rather not be excessively cosseted. Leave it as it is, I say.

Well, would you regard it as "cosseting" that people can't be pooka'd to heartstop, dive (seriously), quit stuff, etc.? Game fairness is more important, abilities that have the potential to do bloody nasty things like that are altered so they can't for a good reason.

I have a feeling you'd be saying something different if it was actually a problem and people stole with moonbeam frequently - of course, that's just an assumption, but I can think of several people who I know would.