No, I dont think I will come back, not now. I loved this game for how it was, but now, I feel like I need a complete break from it. I came to check to see if I had a message from Yendos and saw something about Tree coming back in Faethorn and wanted to check something here. I had a question or two from just reading the opinions on here as Im obviously not going to get the full story, it was made to sound like Maeve and Faethorn itself wanted nothing to do with the Communes now, that everything that we thought was right was wrong, and that what Maeve originally said was a lie.

(IC opinion)
Faethorn seems to want everything to stop, so guys, stop. Seren made it its goal to help and protect Faethorn, you guys arent protecting it if youre stealing them away. They feel you and Glomdoring are kidnapping them and enslaving them to a cause they dont want anymore. They are terrified of Night, they want nothing to do with her. Moon isnt helping them anymore it seems, its doing the same as Night. Maeve said she could care less who holds alliance with Faethorn, whats this? -She wants all of this to stop-. The battles it seems, the taking Fae to create Moon and Night champions, the general fight in Faethorn. She is the Queen of Faethorn, every Wiccan guild derives its powers from the Fae, every single one, they summon Fae and force them to do their bidding. It doesnt matter if they think one place is better than the other, they are not happy now.
(IC opinion off)

Thats my take on it, Im sorry if it conflicts with anyone elses. Thats all the information I have to go by and the general bitterness about the event. See you all when I can return I suppose and hope.

Blah.

oh for sod's sake. I hate it when this forum lags.

Was also telling me my post didnt go through Feh..still dont understand why anyone would want me to come back but the event looks neat even if I am a bit bitter in the end.

This thread: 1. Aiakon, Diamondais, and Xenthos: 0.

meh, My post never made it through...

I don't recall the histories every saying that wiccans were ment to protect the fae from other communes and other wiccans.

The histories seem to imply that the fae protected from Celest and Magnagora... why can't the Moondancers keep protecting the fae from Celest and MAgnagora?

I assume this tree quest thing returns fae that have been brough to the cosmic plane as well as fae that are brought to the communes.

As far as I know, it doesn't. They're no longer Fae at all once they're changed.

One point this is in fact a lie, there have been no fae in glomdoring since the 4th of april. This event Ended today on the 10th. Im still actually waiting for you to apologise for the last lie you told about me personally actually but thats a different matter.



Thats not very accurate diamondais but you wont get the full complicated story unless you actually do play, but if your leaving then good luck and good bye.

I get the feeling Id get little to no information in game regardless, good luck Communes.

The only way to find out is to ask, and I really cant see how the communes can do anything but have meetings and such to see whats going on and figure things out. I think there has already been meetings or a few conversations between the cites and the communes over it as well. Lots of stuff going on and lots of stuff still to sort out for everyone cities and communes alike.

Last two were actually on the 6th. There were 2 the day before that (the fifth), and the day before that was when the event started and we were still finding out what was going on.

And once again...

Curse you, forums!

You seem to refer people often back to "in game," but the issues raised are primarily OOC. Perhaps you could try to explain your point here instead of referring us back to the game to solve our OOC issues? I fail to see what areas violent opposition are left, given that the Gloms cannot invade the Wilde (or at least, do not), the Serenwilders can't invade the Glomdoring (they earn disfavors), and the one area of contention between us now must be peaceful contention. Perhaps you'd be willing to elaborate more on what options are left?



And in doing, it has destroyed the RP of the Serenwilde. How do you think people would react if an event occured that suddenly proved that the citizens of New Celest and the Light were, in fact, evil and trying to destroy the world just as much as Magnagora? Or perhaps an event that proved that the Glomdoring was really tainted? They're all things that we might occuse our opponents of, but things that are contrary to the RP of that organization. In any of these cases, the event would be counter-productive, which the administration seems to have understood (introducing things like the Wyrd, etc) up until this event.




This can be said, but it's simply not the case. The fae were verbally violent and accused us of enslaving them at the very beginning of the event. While this might not be a problem for the Glomdoring (as many admit to binding the fae in shadows), it's a bigger issue for us to deal with. Also, from the beginning Albion told us that we should continue to trust in Mother Moon and bring the fae to her - we were set up to be in the middle by the development of the event. If we had not brought the fae back, Albion could have become angry with us instead.



I'm not sure who discussed or worked this out, as even the leadership of the Moondancers has not yet resolved the issue...the difference in this case is that it's not just people accusing us, it's us knowingly enslaving the fae against their wishes. There's a rather large RP difference, even if there's no functional difference.



This might be true, since the event happened only a couple of months ago. However, though you continue to say I don't understand the whole story, I was present and active throughout the course of the event, I believe I have a fair idea of what occurred. Perhaps I don't have a full grasp on the consequences yet, but regardless this small event changed not only the RP of Faethorn, as was originally suggested, but has changed the RP for Moondancers in general, which I believe is more than was intended.


EDIT: Woo-hoo, my post went through!

..what RP?

Serious question.

Edit: No. In retrospect, actually it wasn't. I was just stirring.

Random note: As long as Viravain isn't convinced that Glom would be tainted, no one in Glom wouldn't be, either.

But they are.
Magnagora doesn't want to destroy the world any more than Celest.

This issue was addressed in game by maeve and what she said. I've said it before almost every issue has been addressed at the end of the event seriously go find out about it.

I not sure I understand the rest of your post meatballs, there’s in game proof that celest is stupid and almost destroyed the world, there is proof that magnagora are the good guys always trying to improve the basin, there is proof that celest are actually the one true nation trying to save the basin etc etc, I’m not sure I follow what your trying to say mitbulls?



The only thing I can see thats been taken away is that serenwilde can no longer say straight out that we are right and glomdoring is wrong, there has been more intrigue and neutrality added to the the whole situation, its no longer just black and white seren is right and glomdoring is wrong.

Wow. This thread has exploded.

Having now seen the real end result of the event, and having some time to look back on things, I'd like to say thank you to the Admin or Admins who put this together. Though it went a little long (so many nights with too little sleep! ), I had a LOT of fun with the roleplay, interacting with people Shayle has little to no contact with was great, working together with sneaky Serens to free Moon-bound fae, conversations, arguements, places where the situation could be artfully used to sway the minds of Serenwilders...I think, on both sides, we saw some fine fine roleplaying!

So thank you, really, it was a blast.

As for the issues with Moondancer RP, I sympathize. I do. It's happened to many organizations, including the Shadowdancers. Trust me, it's not easy to go from -having- to kill the fae, to having to kill the fae for one Avatar (who refused to take them alive WELL after the initial change--try rping that!), to not killing the fae at all....We've had to make some major adjustments over time, and yes, it can be hard. In the grand scheme of things, it's not really that bad, even if at first it seems world-shattering.

As Ferlas has said over and over, there is still a lot of loose ends to tie up with this event. I know I have conversations and discussions that I hope to continue....let the RP play on!

So many possible things to respond to, so many personal questions as to whether it matters or not if I respond when what I say doesn't appear to be listened to and considered anyway.


Because some Fae still want/ed to help us. Maeve hasn't and still doesn't especially care one way or the other where the Fae go. Also, because there is inconsistency. Fae came to the Seren and asked for protection, saying they didn't want to be bound in shadows. Other Fae declared to all that no Fae wants to leave Faethorn. Maeve (reportedly) said some of her subjects want to be in the Etherwilde and/or Etherglom but most want to be in Faethorn.



"Maneuvering?" Even OOCly you don't think there's even the slightest possibility Tsuki was actually telling the truth, do you?



If I believed that as a player, I wouldn't be playing my character as a Moondancer. Everything we've had as a guild has been based on a mutually beneficial partnership .... why am I bothering to repeat myself again? I've said this before.



Actually, it was complicated and interesting before. Not my problem if you didn't see it as such. And no, it hasn't fully taken away the Serenwilde perception of straight "Glomdoring is evil and Serenwilde is good." We could merrily continue as we had before with only a few alterations to add that Perriwinkle is evil (probably an agent of Glomdoring) to the idea that Queen Maeve is tainted by the influence of Night. So we don't listen to her and we don't listen to this event or any future events because they'll clearly have root causes that have harming the Serenwilde rather than the benefit of the Fae in mind. We'd still have that the fae originally came to us asking for help, saying they didn't want to be bound in shadows. It would be much easier to revert to the form of ... what is it now, 44 in-game years since things started ... than to alter things. That would be fun, right?

Instead, some of us are actually trying, as players, to use the event to give Gloms some validity from our rp perspective (though I still wonder why you apparently need our approval/permission), as has seemed to be much of the intent.



After saying many times already that we have so many options and so many possibilities now, you can only see the one route that we must have meetings and such? I actually find that incredibly amusing at the moment.

Correct it was only my view that it was kind of boring and simple before. This view kind of came from the fact that the only serenwilde interaction involved ah it’s a glom kill it. Aside from once where it was ah it’s a novice glom, lets ask it to leave before we kill it. I’ve had more interesting conversations and intereaction with serens in the twelve hours after the event than I have ever had before.





Are you seriously joking me? Did you even read the context that comment was talking about? dia was complaining that she couldn’t find out what was going on in game, I told her to keep trying because everyone will have to be having a bunch of meetings and discussions to sort out all the new policies and different view points. Why are you being so hostile over me trying to help someone out?