Pretty much, some people are complaining without the full story, some are just venting and others just need the time to get involved. I've just given up trying to let everyone know that maeve delt with a ton of the issues in game.

Just a last thank you for a wonderful event and thanks for all the effort involved to help make the game more interesting and exciting anyway. Thanks admin

By "forgetting about" that indicates things which are still, thankfully, being revealed that give us a basis for hope.


Interestingly enough, I'm suddenly reminded of a program I saw a week or two ago about false confessions. Figure in authority or respected accuses someone of doing something, and someone else agrees in support of that accusation until the target agrees that they did it. Queen Maeve and some of the Fae accused the Serenwilde of enslaving them. The Fae and some Gloms/Celestians/Magnagorans/Serenwilders agree. Now that I've thought of that aspect, it's an interesting thought to ponder.

If only Glomdoring changes, again, that will be very boring.

Nothing like the consistancy of change.

I think the problem is Serenwilde (mostly the Moondancers) worked on a false assumption about the fae, unlike the other communities. The Guardians had more defined beings, and Glomdoring didn't exist yet. The RP of the guild was started at a time when there was no Glomdoring. Thus the RP of the guild made up a lot of stuff about the fae that may or may not be true.

I think what happened is that as things changed in the world, the players of the Serenwilde didn't adapt. Obviously, they created more problems (IMO) by being a little fanatical and claiming all of Faethorn themselves, then having to deal with that when Glomdoring came out. I think the admin have really really tried to emphasize the shades of grey of all organizations in the design, but things like changing the Taint to the Wyrd, for instance, didn't change the reaction from Serenwilder's that much.

That's probably why the fae reacted like they did. A sudden change because I think they had to be very blunt to prevent any misunderstanding about the moral ambiguity of summoning and to make players ponder their mistakes. I understand the criticism about it not being "subtle enough", but that was (a) many Serenwilders have proven to be a bit stubborn and ( the nature of an event in Lusternia meant it couldn't have been a long-term storyline.

From my perspective, the admin are willing to let players "fall on their face" by giving them the freedom to make their own interpretations, but ultimately the producers of the MUD are in charge of the overall history. Communities and Guilds are less flexible than Clans and individuals. Unless you want them to say "yes or no" to everything you come up with.

It does mean, however, that occasionally your interpretation of things may be wrong or shattered in the future. Shadow Faelings didn't destroy RP, neither did Hunting, neither do new classes coming out. A community or guild should be able to adapt to the environment as time goes on. The more inflexible and subjective you make your guild laws, the more likely they will conflict with what actually happens. Remember, ALL 4 (someday to be more) communities have an equal right to have fun and should be respected, even if they are "at odds".

And the weird thing is, people who PK always defend "death is a part of life", but you can apply that to RP as well, and say "sadness and dissappointment" is a part of RP as well. I'm surprised this isn't being greeting with more appeal--everything about Lusternia seems to emphasize "shades of grey", and I always thought the communes had more complex morality than the cities.

As for those who wonder about their future with the Moondancers, you can adapt in many ways. For example.

* You can decide that Mother Moon is right and while you have no claim to Faethorn anymore, you can still gather them to Serenwilde, but you may have to deal with a little guilt, or else reconcile that you are loyal to Moon over the fae.

* You can quit the Moondancers and join Celest, as the Moondancers have turned out to be more exploitive and you feel only Celest is good. You can either decide to be a Moondancer in Exile and keep your powers, or become a Celestine. Or, maybe discover you have a need for power and join Glomdoring.

* You can form your own clan, quit the commune, and become a true protector against the fae being exploited from all sides, working against both the communes (and possibly the cities as well). You can also decide to do the tree quest.

There are possibilities out there.

For all the people that call this a succesful event that happily changed the RP of the Moondancers:

Explain the sudden dramatic switch of Moondancers role from appreciated protector to dirty slaver?

Now that sounds fun.

Making the game more interesting, fun and intriguing dosnt always involve fuffy bunnines and happy faced rabbits. It took away the straight forward roleplay of see a glom kill a glom they are evil and we are good.

You continue to make comments about 'everything is handled in game', 'the glom is evil and we are good', etc, but you have yet to really explain anything. The fact is that the Glomdoring and the Serenwilde were designed to be opposing forces, just like Magnagora and New Celest. It's not up to a single event to try to remove that rivalry by saying 'Your enemies really aren't that bad' is simply not the way they were designed to work.

Lusternia is based on conflict. It might be enjoyable for you to see those of us who have roleplayed the protectors turned into slavers, but it's not all that fun for us. It destroys the conflit and part of what made the game interesting by implying that we're really all equally evil and shouldn't bother fighting so much.

We were told many times to do this by the Admins, and I could have sworn we were commended for doing so. Instead of working with what we built, an Admin decided to tear it all down because they could. At least, this is the impression I recieved from this event.

It's fine if that's what they want to do, but if they were actually good GMs, if they're going to tear down over a year of player-created ideas and ideals, they'd give us something to replace it with.


Meh, this is just me disliking the IRE style of handling and performing events. As I've said many times, I'm too used to LARPs and tabletops, where the player to GM ratio is much smaller. In locally run persistant LARPs, the GMs are players who run events, with the only rule being that the event cannot effect any of the eventholder's players in any way. This means that if you don't like the way events are being run by an eventholder, don't go to their events, or make some of your own that follow your ideals of how they should be run. I'm also used to one-shot LARPs with one GM or assistant GM for every three or four players, to handle the players interactions with the world so they don't feel like they are being ignored in favour of other players.

I guess the feeling I always get that when an event starts, the GMs start roleplaying and we just sit back and watch is why I don't really like IRE-style games. I'm used to the philosophy of "The GM's job is to ensure that the players have fun." I'm also used to the philosophy that there are two ways to thank a GM for a game you enjoy - by offering to help GM another session of the game, or by making your own game that the GMs can play in. Too bad it's IRE policy that if you offer to help GM, you will never be able to play the game again

Um...apparently I messed something up...didn't know it was posting.

The fae said they were doing the right thing.
The fae said that, for over 50 IC years.

And one day, they suddenly have a reversed oppinion. Its simply not consistant with the world. Like, if Angkrag decided one day that, no, minings not for them, lets grow some daisies instead. Sure, it could happen, but it wouldnt make for a convincing game.

ive yet to really explain anything to you, because oddly enough you havnt asked me anything at all, its as simple as tell ferlas excuse me seer would you care to chat for a moment?

Again your post shows you dont know the full story, come on go investigate the problem and find out what maeve said. Talk to maeve talk to the your reagent talk to someone!


Thats nothing like what happened dyr, its more like some fae finally got fed up of having to work constantly and decided they wanted a holiday, they had a bit of an arugment but now everythings back to normal although they are still grumbling about their work. Thats a much better way of putting it than you have.

Oh add in the fae said what they wanted and said it again and again and the serens didnt listen and went against their wishes, thus ticking them off and making them angry.

Ignore this, crazy forum...

But in whose opinion have they made this switch?

Certainly not their own, or Serenwilde's. Not the Great Spirit Fae either. Now after the event, none of the Fae of Faethorn call them slavers because the 'fear' incited during the event has passed. Elryn blames Perriwinkle for spreading lies and propaganda about us, which caused the fae to be afraid of us until the Tree was rediscovered.

Glomdoring might think of Serenwilde as slavers, sure. But that doesn't mean their opinion has set the Moondancer role.

I really like Lisaera's post...

It says don't ever give up in working for the fae and the serenwilde, and expect that sometimes you are going to have occasion to question your beliefs. It also says that if you cannot learn to probe those beliefs in the face of opposition and hold on to them, the Moondancer path will be very difficult.

This is not some divine mandate that Serenwilde is meant to control Faethorn, or the Ethereal, or anything. It says that the role of the Moondancers is to protect the fae, worship the fae, and work for them. Just because Queen Maeve wants one thing for them doesn't mean it is the best way to do all these things.

Edit: It's not exclusive either. Serenwilde has one idea how the Fae deserve to be protected/treated, and Glomdoring has another.

Yarr go go roleplay machine avaer! See you lot can work it out just fine if you go do stuff like he did.

I've asked here multiple times for you to attempt to explain what you're on about. For me to contact you IC in reference to an OOC discussion would be horrible roleplaying. My character also considers Ferlas anything but a seer, so that won't exactly cover things.

What I do know is that nobody in the Moondancers guild seems to know what you know, so it would be incredibly generous of you to enlighten us. However, you have not so far demonstrated a strong command of Serenwilde's RP, so I don't simply trust that there is uch a simple solution as you imply. I'd really like to hear about it.



It's a much better way of putting it, but it disregards the past 50 years of IC relationships with the fae.



Comments like these make me wonder if perhaps it's you that doesn't know the whole story...

I know at least two moondancers who know the full situation, its up them them to explain it to you if they want to.



No they slowly change their minds and get fed up being used and eventually just say sod it this is to much work lets go home, it dosnt invalidate any of your previous work.



No that was just the icing on the cake for serenwilde really the fae were annoyed at glomdoring and serenwilde equally really. Then serenwilde kept doing even more things to annoy them.

Unfortunately, that last one is true.

But just because they are happiest in Faethorn doesn't mean they are miserable in Serenwilde. It does mean that the Moondancers and Serenwilde need to start thinking about whether their happiness is more important than their freedom, and things like that.

I think this thread should be closed. It served its purpose - about 12 times over and its getting worse each time.

I have a feeling things will shape up for the Moondancers now at least a small opportunity has presented itself. I'm glad, it is time to move on. People had issues, those issues have been voiced - no need to keep telling someone how they do and do not feel.

Yes, please close. Before something explodes.