It may interest you to know that this event was inspired by a player suggested plot post. This player (a fairly prominent Serenwilder) suggested that an RP change regarding Faethorn was in order because many players were simply burned out from the constant Faethorn conflict, and how the fae didn't seem to have a motivation to stay in Faethorn. As we have heard in the past that Lusternia has too much confined conflict, we were intrigued by the plot suggestion.

One admin took it up and decided to run with the plot idea. I thought it ran fairly smoothly. I didn't really see players trying to branch it in a different direction so I'm not sure why some of you are so bitter that "there was no choice". It also seems some of you are upset at how the quest was written insofar as it didn't take into account how many fae were in ethereal Serenwilde or ethereal Glomdoring.

It is very difficult to run an event, much more so than people realize. I would like to thank the admin who was in charge of this one for taking a player inspired idea and running with it, for taking the chance on helping resolve tension on the ethereal, and with running an interesting event that got many players involved. Well done!

I hesitated making this post because I was afraid it would create a post-war after math that betrayed my intent. I am going to try and make this as fair and objective as I can, and I hope no one takes personally what I say. I intend for the below comments to be constructive.

+ This event is catering to a handful of people. I’ve had a bit “spot light” time myself so I don’t say this as someone who feels left out, but I certainly feel that more effort could be done to encourage (this word will come up later, keep it in mind) others. If 2-3 people aren't around, things just don't happen. That needs to change.

+ This event is predestined, which degrades roleplay. I honestly believe that regardless of what Serenwilde does at this point, someone is going to yell at us and it wouldn't make a difference. It seems almost a hassle to attempt to roleplay at this point because everything is turned around so negative and spiteful, it is better to just nod and go on.

+ This event doesn’t make sense. If the Fae are so damn upset, why are the pixies still visiting Serenwilde? Why are they giggly and happy towards us? Why can the Moondancers still summon them Why don’t they just reject that stupid honeycake if they don’t want it? I accidentally gave a Fae a silvery honeycake, it wailed at me and moved away. I gave it a normal honeycake and it was gleefully jumped into my arms.

Furthermore, this event challenges (which isn’t necessarily a negative thing) former ideals, but it is just unreasonable and unrealistic that the Fae suddenly changed their minds over night. As a perfect example, when I helped lead the first expedition into Carai Caroo, Lanikai talked to me personally and thanked me for rescuing Joiya. She was very friendly. I later spent 5 hours by myself raising Marilynth for Lanikai and asked Lanaki to please remember the Moon Coven and our endeavors to help the kelpies, and if possible, we would welcome her support for the troubles in Faethorn we do not understand. Lanikai said –one- word to me: DON’T (just like that). I went to her to speak with her, and nothing.

+ This event seems to hate Serens from a Seren perspective. No person from Glomdoring has been yelled at or degraded like we have. I must admit Shayle is an outstanding speaker and very careful with her words, but her manipulation to comfort Butter and Queen Maeve is relatively superficial. However, it is opening doors like nothing else. However, there are Serens who will go to Queen Maeve, ask very good questions about how they can help out, how they can make this better, etc.. and get told off. I just loved earlier when Maeve said: Is Serenwilde insane with power? Blah blah blah there will be consequences! – so much for a neutral objective spirit. Finally, why is it the Fae knights can see when X seren takes a Fae, but not Pentu or Urazial?

+ This event is discouraging. This event has been painful for many. I know people who were rather upset in the Moondancers. I had people come to me and ask why they can do nothing right because no matter the intent, the action, or the concern: they are hideous, terrible persons. This is not telling people to roleplay. This is not telling people to have fun. This has truly just made some people miserable to point where I keep hearing in Serenwilde one of two things:

1. My god, I wish this would just hurry up and resolve because we obviously can do no right.

2. I hate when the Fae respond to us because we just get kicked in the face more.


As for myself, I honestly could care less at this point. I have been doing other things to take my mind off the hassle, irritation, and such. However, there are people who are relatively quiet, shy, and all around good people who like to teach novices and tell them about Ellindel, the Fae, etc... and those are the people that are being discarded, discouraged, and pissed on in this.

I really must say in closing I think Glomdoring has done a fantastic job. Shayle seems to have kept control and as such, she is making all the statements except with Ferlas pops in something nasty about Serenwilde here and there. That’s fine... but it is honestly a joke as far as roleplay is concerned because the average person who tries to get involved in this (and there are a lot of Serens who have tried) have just quit because no matter what, someone is yelling at them or upset or they are terrible people.

As I’ve told Serenwilde as this point, expect no right because we are no longer capable of it. I can die protecting Butter and have her yell at me 15 minutes later. If that’s how someone wants to play, fine... but I hope you will appreciate the distaste and apathy that is forming. If illogical rationale and utter dismissal of the past wasn’t bad enough, illogical disrespect is.

Roleplay should in general be fun. This isn’t fun. There are people who want to freakin quit the Moondancers over this. /rant that is more bias than I wanted, but I tried.

The problem was that it didn't take into account any player attitudes in the end. Throughout, a number of people who kept capturing Fae were being branded Slavers by the fae, but now... it's all back to normal, no RP change. It didn't take into account an organization that helped them, even RETURNING them to Faethorn from Ethereal Glomdoring when they didn't want to be there, versus an organization that kept capturing them throughout the entire event.

I know it is difficult to run the event. I thought that the entire thing, up to the ending, was *great*. I loved the lessening of tension on Ethereal. I've just got no idea what to do now.

And we really did try to branch it in a different direction. We banned Fae-gathering, we even managed to acquire the elusive silvery honeycake to release a Fae bound by shadows and bring it back to Faethorn. We did what they asked us to do. I've got no idea how that isn't different than ignoring their wishes and just continuing to capture / keep them for the power gain.

Seems like I am not the only one trying.

I was in Celest before you probably even played, so it's not like I am a complete newbie there. Supernals guide Celest, if Celest changed from that way, why even bother defending them for example? If Celest still follows them, why not doing what Raziela wants?

darn thought I'd get to be the only one with the honors quest for a while, but the bugger is bugged FIX! -beg-

My event experiances over the past week or so.

Zenji-Hey Queen, whats up? *dies to Xavius*

Maeve-Stop bringing violence in here.

Whole mud- *gets interested*

Zenji-You guys are safe now. *brings some fae to Mother Moon*

Maeve-Stop doing this, you guys are bad.

Fae Knight(s)-Slavers! I'll fight you to the last for this! *attack*

Albion-You doubt Mother Moon? You must be lost.

Zenji- *blindly trying to cling to beliefs*

Me-

If you want to discuss it with me do so in game. I'll be hiding somewhere in the etherwilde, in the fetal position, trying to tell myself it’ll all be alright.

The whole Moondancerness has been based on Ellindel. She originally found out how to give them physical forms and save them from dying, and they healed the land and taught her the way of wicca. So we've been defending Faethorn and bringing Fae to a safer area in the Etherwilde and asking them to assist us in return.

During the event, one of the fae knights accused us of no longer following the ways of Ellindel, and then refused to explain further. That was ... charming.


Precisely.


Also, whole-hearted agreement.


Yes, I can imagine and sympathize with how difficult and how much effort is put into events, but I still wish they weren't "stand-alone" incidents. It would be nicer if the past was taken into account, and long-term established things not ripped to shreds. For Moondancers, it was essentially damned if we did or damned if we didn't. One way, we're going against some of our guild structure/beliefs and guidance of our Great Spirit. The other way, we're still going against some of our guild structure/beliefs and vehement declarations (and actions) by the fae. That's where the bitterness from a perceived lack of choice comes from, for our side.

Yes, I'm sure Glom's had a hard time of it. Tsuki would even be inclined to agree that a shadowbound fae is better than an imp/cherub ... at least the fae is still a fae. Radical events and radical alterations to behaviour doesn't lead to lasting change unless it's forced.

If a close friend of mine suddenly one day starts screaming at me and says I'm no longer her friend, I'm going to be concerned for her and try to find out what's wrong and continue being her friend. If, on the other hand, said close friend of mine grows more distant, thanks me for my years of friendship and support, but says she has other interests that don't coincide with mine, I'm more likely to part ways and let her pursue them.

Edit: The point being there, that if we want things to be more equal between the communes in regards to the fae, that's fine and could be worked on. If the Moondancers had heard from some of the fae that they're no longer fearful of being bound in shadows (which they had come to us and asked protection from being bound in shadows in the past) and that they intend to explore the coming of the Wyrd and whatnot, Moondancers probably still would have been concerned, but mildly concerned. When they scream at us for being slavers and ignore the years of when the denizens of Faethorn were being attacked by others and defended by Moondancers/Serenwilders, we naturally think they're being influenced by some malign force and need our help more than ever.

Well, even though I missed the ending... I have loved the event up until now. If you're looking for someone to blame for all this, don't blame the hard-working and brilliant admin who in a matter of days took a roughly formed idea and made it into a vast event... blame me.

I suggested a change be made to Faethorn so that Serenwilde could no longer claim it was them and the Fae against Glomdoring. That Faethorn would be able to distinguish itself as separate to both communes, and not quite aligned in philosophy to either. I think that this will be a good change.

If the Moondancers are having trouble justifying why their Nature Spirit is helping the Fae - good! They are no longer the only Wiccan guild, and they can't have the Fae themselves telling them what to do all the time. There has to come a time when we develop their own distinct approach to what are essentially external forces - rather than just assuming (and being supported) in that we are the only ones that are 'on their side'. We can still hold on to the obvious 'we worship and revere them', which doesn't have to change, we just need to think more about it.

I don't really know how the ending went, but I'm hoping that there was some resolution for Serenwilde particularly that showed the whole 'slaving' thing was exaggerated from a few elements in Faethorn, not the whole Fae. I'm also hoping that the Tree of Trees is pro-commune... but we can live with it as an anti-commune quest as long as it isn't malevolent or too sentient.

Thankyou to the amazing admin who have made this event so intriguing up until now... and while I personally may have chosen a different approach to some parts of it, I'm just so impressed that our feedback and suggestions are being heard and considered.

Again, please don't direct your ire at the admin - if you thought the event was awful... it's my fault, not theirs.

That's why I am secretly in love with you.

I'm glad you are happy that people have been miserable, upset, and no longer enjoy being a Moondancer.

I'm likewise glad you enjoy the fact that everything up until now was just totally discarded for an overnight mood swing. Yay. To be entirely honest, this event (and again, I'm not trying to be personally insulting) would have been smoother if Tsuki and Shayle met with Maeve each day and no one else was allowed to talk because individual reaction in it was discouraged and people were spit on (and I was actually physically spit on by a Lady Knight for asking a rather neutral question).

To me, this event symbolizes that roleplay is meaningless because tomorrow, an event may pop up that ignores it and you'll be a bad person. Wow, I can't say I find that encouraging.

So, huh...you are complaining about an event that goes against you for once?
You used that single fae coming to you, whining, as a reason to constantly raid Glomdoring and EtherGlom and made people feel miserable.





Welcome to Glomdorings world.

I'm not glad that people are upset over this. I'm glad that changes to Faethorn are being looked into and implemented.

I was actually hoping a more subtle change would be enough... but even with all of this extreme reaction from the Fae, I -still- had arguments with Moondancers who believed the fae of faethorn as a whole really wanted to come to Serenwilde.

All I have to say is...why can't any of this stuff at least be frustrating WHILE I'M LOGGED IN?!?

I hate events that change the world while I'm 'asleep'.

I actually agreed with the prominent Seren proposing this event to a certain extent. I just didn't expect it to go this far. I'm disappointed, for reasons that have been explained before (Narsrim got most of it) but oh well. I guess we'll have to figure something out.

Just on a random note...I might understand that Seren didn't stop gathering the first one, two months.


But they friggin gathered them today, still. Talk about being obstinate.

Nothing mattered. I don't care what was done, it was returned in some negative fashion. You could ask a Fae how you could better help them, protect them, respect their wishes to get told off. That's lame.

I remember when I went to the Tree of trees alone to apologize about the meld, I touched it with my hands and pressed my forehead to the bark, and I got an electric shock pushing me away.

Alright.

I had my doubts when the events posts were made, but after the conversation with Queen Maeve, this even is amazing. Its taken stale, simple and clique roleplay with the obvious evil v good and now its opened up so many new posibilites for unique and interesting roleplay, I cant even list all that ive thought of. its just great for serenwilde glomdoring celest and magnagora, ive already had so many fun conversations because of it.


This is a nice event, only thing is gotta get me an aether ship somehow to start doing that song quest to put the fae back in faethorn where they are happy.

Hurray!

Exactly. Serenwilde is the antichrist. We can do no right (at least not in this event).