i agree with Fain.

Honestly you people, stop being so whiny. You are supposed to lose every now and then, and without reading this thread at all, deal with the fact some mobs are going to be hostile. Be happy the admins are even involved at all.

Damn pansies.

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Okay.

We understand that there are those among you that don't appreciate how the event went.

We also understand that there are feelings of frustration, and even anger, at the way certain things go.

I do expect a few semblances of respect, though. We, as Admin, do our best to run plots, small or large, to try to make Lusternia a better place.

If something happens that you don't like, that's your right. You have the right to not be happy with it, but please be respectful when discussing the situation.

I'd also suggest anyone to talk to your Matron/Patron regarding things you're concerned about. Have a question about fae and Raziela, and you're in Celest? Talk to Terentia.

Want to question the Moondancers? Try to talk to Elcyrion or Lisaera. Patrons exist for a reason, and some of us, even on a purely IC basis, will provide invaluable tools to aid your roleplay.

Lastly, feel free to use the PLOTS board for continued suggestions to enhance Lusternia's experience. No, not all plots are used. Yes, all are read, and considered. If you have questions, file an issue ingame for customer service.

There is a plots board!?!?!? Ooooooh...fun! I have a question regarding PRAY TO as I prayed to Lady Terentia...thricly methinks to see about Her Will...prior I had told another Celestian to pray to Her (as this Celestine needed to talk to Her) and he told me it like, summoned Her, like he got the impression it jerked Her away from something important... is this so?

love-mimi

I totally understand that all of you have the best intention at heart. I know that all of you put a lot of time, devotion, and energy into Lusternia, and I appreciate it.

I didn't like this event, but that's ok. I just hope that some of the problems I mentioned (such as the "spot light" issue) can perhaps be considered for the future. I apologize again for being rude as I know I have been - I tend to be a vindictive of a person when I'm frustrated, and I very much have been recently. However, I hope you too can understand that this event was painful for a lot of people. I've listed details in other posts if anyone wishes to read them.

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And I did try on several occasions to contact Lisaera. I took groups of Moondancers to her fulcrux, I tried to gather her interest and opinion on GT and moondancer leadership clans. However, I know Lisaera is busy and has a lot of work to do so there likely wasn't time... but I did try more than once to no success.

I also went to the Moon Avatars (with groups of 3-5 people as I wanted people to hopefully find a way to get involved) about 4-5 times. We received one talk with Albion, which was around 5 minutes and in my opinion, discouraging. Heck I even spent 5 hours hoping that by summoning Marliynth, I could get some help from Lanikai who totally dismissed me and could offer nothing more than a single word when I hoped we could have her support: "don't."

Queen Maeve declaring Faethorn's independence was encouraging early on in the event.

Most of what was happening appeared to point towards some smackdown coming from Faethorn against Serenwilde.(Spelled: Wishful thinking from a Glomdoring perspective)

Serenwilde being in Conquest mode and having claimed Faethorn as their own for decades.
Slaughtering Fae and claiming death was better than being bound in shadows in Glomdoring.(Maeve is undecided afterall)
Outright disrespect in a lot of instances whether it be open aggression or disregarding Maeve's words.(during the event)

Glomdoring had some concerns also, reason we did stop grabbing fae with honeycakes, we actually got that right early on with our discussions about the "heart" comments. But overall, Glom's more benign history in dealing with Faethorn and only bringing Fae to EtherGlom to enlighten them into the ways of the Wyrd and cure them from the deception and denial of decades of Serenwilde influence. Sadly, this did nothing for us, go figure, Serenwilde grabbed more Fae and gained more power without consequence.

Early on I thought Laeroc might lead the Fae Armies to assault the EtherForests to Liberate/Bring their Fae back to Faethorn leaving dead guards and players in their wake. That would have been interesting.

Celest could RP out of this by listening to their Supernal and grabbing Fae in a bid of providing their own brand of protection, at the risk of alienating Serenwilde? Simply won't happen.

I don't see where Magnagora gets anything out of this other than if they were to just go into Faethorn and outright start slaughtering fae. Who will come to Faethorn's aid then?

OVERALL I thought the event was a positive for Lusternia, adds a new dynamic players will have to adapt to and consider, I'm fairly new to Lusternia and wasn't fully engaged in the event but enjoyed the little bit I was able to participate in a RP capacity.

This is fustrating.. No fae left Glomdoring to go back to Faethorn at the end of the event becaus no fae where in Glomdoring. The event post implies otherwise, and everything up untill that point was GREAT and WONDERFULL, but thats all I was mentioning and all that made Xenthos feel like RPing ment nothing.

But ofcourse thats ignored because of the other people complaining about things not "going thier way."

I haven't even signed on yet to read the events post because I'm dreading it. If certain points weren't resolved, do we keep holding our breath or jump back to the same way things have been? Everything matters, but then again ... no, it doesn't.


Your information is not completely accurate. To my knowledge, Glomdoring (Xenthos) and Serenwilde (Tsuki) both "released" one fae into Faethorn each by trading honeycakes. Even when I win, I lose.


On a somewhat connected note, I also find it ... odd that there's been a perception that the things before the event were "stale RP." Those mentioning it as such are commenting on RP of a guild not their own, as well, which no one ever approves of. Regardless, I don't see how it was "stale" for either Moondancers/Seren or Shadowdancers/Glom.

Is something like this impossible from another perspective? Moondancers say they're doing what the fae want, Shadowdancers are doing what they feel is best for the fae. Moondancers, to Shadowdancer perception, are then spoiling and coddling the fae (and who knows where that might lead). Shadowdancers, to Moondancer perception, are forcing the fae to do things against their will (likewise, who knows what that might lead to). Each idea has validity from its own point of view and aspects that can be distasteful to those of the other point of view.


Also touching on something else, I get the impression from this thread and elsewhere that both Gloms and Serens feel like their RP has meant nothing. Seren RP for years in-game meant nothing during the event, Glom RP during the event meant nothing after it. I'm oddly wanting to laugh and feeling miserable at the same time at that thought.

I'd just like to say that a Moondancer player did not start this posting (and I actually tried to stop it back on page one) I am sure none of us wanted this to become a forum topic either, because then all of this seething frustration would come to the boiling point for us.

…and Zenji? I'm currently taking a step back, and reassessing him, trying to figure out if he would still even be sane after what he's just gone through.

I can honestly say I've not been a fan of this event. BUT, I also know that it's useless crying over spilled milk, so I'd at least like to thank the guys in charge for considering changes and ways to make things better.

Well there was a reinforcing message from maeve explain, just as I said before that message it was as confusing as well. But with maeves message everything is clear and great, don't go complaining until the full story is explained inside your own communes and cities.



Point being it isnt an anti commune quest really, roleplay wise it is postitive for the fae to do the quest, so it dosnt really harm us that much roleplay wise if you support the fae, mechanically it does harm us taking away fae that give power. But well we all know we do things that make sence roleplay wise that do actually hurt us mechanically.




No offence but to be honest from the posts here, it seems like everyone whos complaining dosnt know the full story yet for what ever reason. I mean its been like 12 hours since it finished theres a lot of stuff the communes still need to discuss and decide you lot can't expect us to snap our fingers and explain and make decisions on some of the issues instantly, its quite complicated and really interesting which is why I love this event.

Seriously people this event was great, it offers a great number of aspects of roleplay for everyone and it has removed the old stale ha serenwilde is right and glomdoring is wrong and must die cliche openening up much broader and more interesting policys that can be decided by the player.

I'd admit it at first I was worried this event was a bit to restictive but after the converstation with maeve it looks bloodly amazing and lets us players have much more control over our roleplay over faethorn.

Thats just my view anyway, thank you for the great event.




In game no one really lost, the fae just snapped slaped everyone and said stop taking us from out rightful home, left for a holiday came back willing to do their forced duty but really wanting to remain in faethorn.

I mean mechanically little has changed other than a way to reset the fae but roleplay wise its amazing and if people are actually willing to actually use it and explore the different routes its going to be great.

I don't see what is so wrong with starting the Thread the way I did. I had questions and concerns and I wanted to hear the opinions of other people because there were some things that I just did not understand. Just because a moondancer did not start this thread did not mean they did not post their own concerns.

It is an anti-commune quest, unless you'd like to argue that Narsrim raiding Glomdoring for Fae isn't actually an attack on Glomdoring. The fae that help Serenwilde/Glomdoring are taken away. You can spin anything so it is positive RP-wise, but in essence this quest is designed to hurt Serenwilde and Glomdoring. I don't have a problem with that part.

What I am concerned about is how we are supposed to stop the cities from just releasing all our fae every day. That they haven't yet is probably just because the quest is unknown.

(I also wish the Tree of Trees could be used for something positive towards both forests, rather than just a negative quest... but that's a minor wish.)

No but what I would like to aruge is that doing the quest returns the fae to their rightfull home, certain people and fae feel the fae are happier in their right full home etc etc so there fore roleplay wise its a beneficial thing for the fae and the people who want the fae to be happy.



Again I see no problem with this, this quest isnt roleplay harmful to use, it is only slightly mechanically harmful to so. It isnt even that bad and its in a pk open area.

Whats to stop communes releasing the gorgogs every day? Nothing and the gorgog quest hurts a hell of a lot more than this resetting the fae event.

And again I dont feel roleplay wise this is a negative quest.

Ferlas, as nicely as I can put this, you aren't a Moondancer. You don't know what we've lost. And yes, contrary to your opinion, we have lost. Tsuki is a single Moondancer. She stepped through the Portal of Fate at age 16 as a Moondancer and has been one for 33-34 years. Her stat, as of a bit ago, says, "You have played for a total of 87 days, 11 hours and 44 minutes." This event shattered the foundation of every single minute: she was a devoted Moondancer working to ensure the protection of the Fae--continuing in the tradition established by Ellindel--because they wished for that protection in a mutually beneficial partnership of helping one another. I know of other Moondancer players who had their characters do nothing but sit on Ethereal many, many times for hours at a time keeping watch because the Fae asked for our protection and we were trying to give it. Immersive roleplay is wonderful when it's good, but makes you miserable when something turns bad. We get involved in the game because we love it as players, but when our characters hurt so do we.

As for "little has changed," should the Moondancers and Serenwilde ignore the event? Perhaps daily life should always be behaviour as normal, but when an event appears all else should be forgotten and set aside, to be taken up again after the event when the purpose and happenings of the event are likewise discarded. Personally, I see that as non-immersive and thus a failure in roleplay.

Again, I see the mention of "stale roleplay." If someone(s) thinks something is stale and others don't, I'd like to hazard a guess that the problem is in the perceiver's perception, not in the thing. Also a mention of a cliche Serenwilde/good vs. Glomdoring/evil. That was a Serenwilde perception, has Glomdoring been subscribing to Serenwilde perceptions? Are Shadowdancers members of the Night Coven or members of the Glomdoring chapter of the Moon Coven? There were always options and even ways of change without radical, polar opposite shifts in behaviour and opinion between one month and the next. As far as broader options, we've had members of the Serenwilde speak up even before the event that Glomdoring doesn't seem bad and that there's no reason for us to do or think/say . I wonder if they have counterparts who speak up in Glomdoring who are pro-Seren. I also feel as if our options have narrowed, rather than broadened. As a Moondancer, I see one option for our next step which may or may not be feasible (with regards to established fundamental Moondancer RP, or perhaps we should completely scrap the entire history of the guild and start over?) and even if it is found acceptable in the slightest measure which would allow its implementation, there's going to be further despair and anger from some of the guild and commune regarding it. It's been a time of emotional upheaval IC and OOC, and continues to be one. I spent a good half hour earlier trying not to start crying from the overall impact of everything after talking with a few guildmates, including the GA, and then arguing with another Serenwilde GM after giving in and signing on for a bit to check on things after being awake all night, again. It's been stressful to the extreme lately. I'll get past it and be able to focus on the good points of being GM after things have settled, but they're not yet and won't be for a bit. I'm also not alone in feeling that way, so please keep that in mind as this thread inevitably continues.

And there is nothing stopping you protecting the fae in a different way, come on for gods sake your you imagination, the fae have decided they are happier in faethorn and have provided a way for them to return home. So the fae asked for your protection once, now they are still asking for it but they wish to be happy at home as well. I really cant see your problem with it?



What of course you shouldnt ignore it, you were listened when I said there are plenty of new opportunitys and paths for us to explore now becuase of this event?




Yes if one person is unbending completly and has it set in stone from the admin that one side is wrong and you are always right in your actions then I do consider that stale as it prevents player actions changing the environment, this even has changed that it has given players more freedom to alter their own fates.


I can honestly not believe how many people are complaing at this event opening so much new posibilites. Get involved with it and see what has actually happened.

No. If Serenwilde just wanted the fae to be happy, they could disband their commune and all the fae would go back to their home. We don't want to do that.

Fae in Serenwilde = Good for Serenwilde.
No Fae in Serenwilde = Bad for Serenwilde.
Happy Faethorn = No longer a prime concern.

It is in no way beneficial for Serenwilde. It's beneficial for Faethorn, sure. But the communes are not Faethorn.

We are being encouraged to stop the violence in Faethorn quite heavily. If we go back to Serenwilde taking military control of the area and killing any Glom that enters, what progress has been made?


I don't know too much about the gorgog quest, but it is in a place where you can fight those who are performing it, and I imagine kill certain mobs that allow it to be done. The communes cannot do this in Faethorn.

Seriously it sound like people actually liked it when they were forced into roleplay routes, this event has not done that, this event has done the complete reverse it has opened and freeed up many different things for everyone citites and communes alike



The communes can easily prevent this quest being done, not that I personally would want it stopped.

Fae in Serenwilde = mechanically Good for Serenwilde.
No Fae in Serenwilde = mechanically Bad for Serenwilde.
fae in Faethorn = mechnically bad for glom and serenwilde

fae in faethorn= roleplay good for fae
fae in serenwilde and glom=roleplay unhappy for fae

So, lets put that together, shall we?

Fae in Serenwilde = Good for Serenwilde

but

Fae in Serenwilde and Glom = Unhappy for Fae.

therefore

Good for Serenwilde = Unhappy for Fae.

Tada! Now, stop trying to force us into certain roleplay mindsets. I very much doubt Serenwilde will ever start saying leading fae to Moon is a bad thing. If you want to do that for Glomdoring, go ahead.

Now, let's assume Serenwilde is going to think losing their fae is a Bad Thing. If you would personally play it different, go ahead. Please don't tell me what roleplay we have to take.

With that assumption, this quest is something Serenwilde wants to prevent the cities from doing. Now, let's also assume we respect the Queen's orders not to bring conflict between non-enemies to Faethorn.

What is your idea for stopping someone who is doing the quest?

Correct!

Fae in Serenwilde = Good for Serenwilde mechnically

but

Fae in Serenwilde and Glom = Unhappy for Fae.

therefore

Good for Serenwilde mechnically = Unhappy for Fae


Exactly now your missing the word mechanically.

Remember ROLEPLAY>IN GAME POWERGAMING


Idea 1: Kill them
Idea 2: kill the again because its open pk and you can
Idea 3: take away the quest items
Idea 4: Kill the again because you can

Your not forced to keep the fae happy, your not forced to do anything with this new system. There is, get his, CONFLICT INSIDE and BETWEEN memeber of serenwilde and glomdoring who feel diffferent about where the fae shoul be kept.

Even you regent nejii already knows this and he missed most of the event.

I am so angry at this now people arnt even willing to even attempt to work out this before saying oh how its the end of the world and my roleplay has been ruinied.