No it hasnt. There is still plenty of oportunity, as I said take in in game its being discussed you dont know the full story. All it has done is taken away the straight glomdoring is evil and serenwilde is good stance that serenwilde had, it isnt as clear cut any more. Its more complicated and interesting.



And its been said the serenwilders are just seeing the concquences of their own actions. They went against the wishes of the fae, they threated fae, they were rude to the fae and they lied to the fae. Then the fae started to be rude to and force certain serewilders out



Again its already been discusseed and worked out in game, you are able to serve both moon and fae. And so what if someone accuses you of that? People have been using progaganda against people in game for ages.




And I can understand why your saying this because you havnt actually seen the full effects or the posibilites you have yet, get in game and go search them out.

WARNING! Long post.

Here's my opinion on what the Moondancers should do, RP-wise. Feel free to disagree with the Faust-avatar-bearing forum lurker, but IMHO it's the best way.
Disclaimer: I do not want this idea to be flamed. If you disagree with it, simply say you don't, and why.
Now, let's start. First, a quote from the histories:

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High Priestess Farella pressed her lips tightly together as she thought it over. Then, she nodded at me and beckoned to the fae companions that waited politely to the side while she healed me. A small pixie fluttered to her shoulder and bobbed nervously.

“Go to the ethereal realm and find Queen Maeve in Faethorn Court,” instructed the High Priestess of the Moon. “Tell her what Lolly has said about the Horn of Urlach, and ask her to send the kelpies to the Inner Sea and intercept the imperial ships.”

“It shall be as you say, milady,” said the pixie.

“One more thing,” she added. “Tell Queen Maeve that I suggest the kelpies sink the imperial ships. Tell her it may be best if there are no survivors.”

The pixie hovered in mid air, blinking at her in surprise, waiting to see if she might correct her words. But High Priestess Farella merely raised an eyebrow and stared the pixie down. Finally, the pixie bowed and created a small ethereal gate into which he disappeared. I stared at the High Priestess in shock.

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Now, boys and girls, what does it show us? That during the Taint Wars, and probably during the other times as well, the High Priestess' authority was clearly greater than Queen Maeve's. She could order the queen around like if she was her boss.

So, if I were in the Moondancers, I'd do that too. The Faes' recent actions showed clearly that they act like emo-kids or Hamlet (not a village!) from Shakespeare, they want one thing one day and the other next one. So, it's the Moondancers' duty to treat them like children - but not as if you were parents from the 80's, obsessed with the vision of stress-less child raising. No, it must be tough love and ordering around for their good (and sometimes not even for their good), as shown in that quote. The Fae don't want to be in Serenwilde? Too bad for them! You KNOW better that they will be safer there than in Faethorn - you don't let your kids, for example, play in the park all day when you know that there are dangerous kidnappers (Glomdoritos) loitering around there. And if Maeve disagrees - well, screw her. She doesn't have the right to, she clearly didn't oppose Farella before.

Remember. Parental love =! snuggly (to an extent). And Serenwilde =! snuggly either.

Forums don't work for me today. Ignore this.

Can I please get an answer to my question?

Did those of Glomdoring who took the fae back to faethorn ask the avatars of night first? If not has anything negative happened to them for their actions?
Narsrim had his faith in Mother Moon challenged for his comment on what the fae wished

Actually, you are missing one key point from the quote, which I have bolded.



There was no ordering. They could only suggest to the Queen, not order. She is her own sovereign. She agreed with the quote because it made sense, not because Farella outranked her in any way.

WARNING:
Celest, please, don't mess with the Fae.

Last time that happened, things got complicated, half the city almost killed the other half and somehow tainted fae started to rain down the skyes because Gorgulo got crazy or some weird stuff.

And I got enemied to Nil just for killing them, that's not fair, they weren't good for Nil anyway and were trying to hurt demonlords I think.

I didn't ask them. Due to a number of IC things, most from the formation of the Glomdoring, Xen has come to the conclusion that Mother Night (though sometimes she will argue / wrangle for things which give her more power or influence) understands that whatever is good for the Glomdoring is good for her in the end as well. Convincing the Fae that the Glomdoring cares for them and will listen to them while the Serenwilde does not... only serves to show them that being in Her embrace is not something to be as feared. (Well, or it should...)

This is by NO means an organizational RP stance, however. 1.5 of the guilds at the very least (Shadowdancers and half of the Ebonguard, those who follow Her) should have a VERY different concept of what her opinion means and how much it should be listened to. If Xen had not been around for the creation of the Glomdoring, he would respect and revere her much more than he currently does as well. (This isn't to say he doesn't respect her at ALL, because he does. Just not as much as Lady Viravain or Brother Crow).

We felt it was prudent to do as the fae wished so that we didnt upset or agravate them.

But really this is all explained in the game you can find all this out easily in game. Go for it.

I might have misunderstand it, but if you ask me she was clearly ordering her, and only using such words to appear more... hmm, dignified? After all, we all know people who order but form these orders like if they were asking, don't we?

It appears more to me as if she was ordering the pixie. We all know that pixies have an unhealthy bond to the Serenwilde forest.

Dooo ittt!

Come on there is a new opportunity for nice roleplay and new interesting things for celest what with this...

But that's not how you acted. Pentu and Urazial -both- were gathering Fae up until 2 days before it ended. While I have heard Glomdoring told them to stop (and that's fine) the point was simply that Glomdoring was in some degree violating their wishes and upsetting them; however, the powers that be didn't see it. They only saw when Serens did it. That in turn irritated me.

Simply because someone in Glomdoring said don't do it again does not refute the fact it did happen.

So..Faethorn doesnt like the Communes now? Doesnt want them to 'kidnap' the Fae? Well..Maeve did always attend that she didnt care which Spirit gained alliance to Faethorn so..its a little odd.

Pentu got 2 fae. Once.

Urazial got 2 fae. Once.

Daganev got 2 fae. Once.

This last one was more than 2 days before the end, I believe. I can check the logs next time I'm in, but pretty sure it was 3-4 days before then. We made a post saying "Stop it" the day after we caught Daganev at it, and we went to return the fae Daganev had captured. At the point that Pentu and Urazial had gathered fae, it wasn't actually an organizational decision to cease, I had just stopped myself and had been highly encouraging others to stop as well, which led to both of them being ordered by other members of Glomdoring's leadership to stop (which I found out about later). 6 total fae, two of them being returned by us (though only one was actually freed by us because of some lovely Serenwilde maneuvering), versus the... how many did Serenwilde capture over the course of this event, Narsrim? Remember the Fae telling you that four was *not many*. We spoke to them in Faethorn, and so on, and so forth, without running for honeycakes.

There were NO fae from Faethorn in Ethereal Glomdoring for the last couple days of the event. Simply because you said it does happen does not make it fact.

Did I say there were at the end? No, thanks for reading! However, there were Fae throughout the event... and I do NOT want to hear "it wasn't an organizational decision." Umbrawn melded that stupid tree by accident and we got told off at least 3 times because he made mistake. Maeve gave a speech that could have inspired suicided and basically told us were all damned and there will be consequences, consequences, consequences! Serens are insane with their power!

Not true, they kind of just want to stay at home though instead of being forced to work for serenwilde or glomdoring. Go find out its really interesting when you get into it.

But yea narsrim glomdoring was pretty fast to stop doing anything the fae didnt like once word got around, the serens were still taking fae even after the fae started shouting and getting angry at them, and not to mention the rudeness and threats some serens made which just generally didnt help their situation at all.



At that point the fae were shouting at glomdoring and seren despite glomdoring not actually doing anything against the fae's wishes.

While Shayle may be awesome, she's not Queen Maeve.

Queen of the Night, Shayle d'Iasani Treeripper says, "Are the Serenwilders just...insane with their own power?"

And Queen Maeve also said that once she knew it was just Umbrawn, she would no longer hold it against all of the Serenwilde.

While it wasn't an organizational decision, Fae were still being gathered. Once it was an organizational decision, not *one more fae* was brought to Night. Not one. The last fae collected was:
2006/04/06 04:02 - Daganev added 5 power through Glumki Thorneye, King of the Redcaps
Event ending time:
Date: 4/9/2006 at 21:02

That's far over three days, Narsrim. Closer to four. Before Daganev's two, we had collected *four* others, not counting the very first day of the event before we spoke with the Fae and heard what they were saying / what they wanted.

I still don't understand how Dancers were still able to call upon fae during this event, and have fae in their entourage during their event, even while in the presence of Queen Maeve.

This post no longer has any desire for existance.

Ahhh. Wrong, Xenthos. I'm sorry, but everything Narsrim says is automatically true. This is a law of convenience which has been created to stop long threads like this one running on into infinity.

Since the first law of Narsrim states that he will never back down from any argument, no matter how insubstantial his points have proven to be, the users of this forum have agreed to allow him to 'always be right', so that activity on sterile threads like this one can be reduced to a minimum. This is a rule created for your own protection: no matter how long a thread, Narsrim will always have the last word, thus winning by default. In other words, any argument with Narsrim is instantly redundant. There is no hope of winning, so to prevent us all fruitlessly wasting our time, we simply allow him to immediately win. I hope this clears things up.