Ehh, okay. I'll just disagree then.

By the way, wasn't amputate supposed to have an increased stun? It's still only 1.5 second.

Erm... what? You are correct that most mana attacks are partially percentage based, so why do you think that maximum mana doesn't mean anything? It's your maximum mana that the percentage is usually based on!

Pah, no you weren't. Before you had to choose from high str, high health, low speed, low int, or low str, high health, high speed, high int. And with the various ways of increasing strength, that was kind of a no-brainer in terms of 'best' warrior races. Now its closer to slow and tanky, vs fast and fragile, which makes more sense in my eyes. Then again, I like seeing knights nerfed, so I may be a little biased.

Hey. Let's make forcefield cost 10 power and constant mana drain.

Oh no, don't take away my 7000 mana! *weep*
I'd live Although we don't have the armor that you all have either. So you both take less damage then me, and can get twice my health (more then my ego as well) pretty easily.

You mean: choose between high strength, insanely high health, moderate speed and low int, or low strength, moderate health (*only* if surged, which gives you about the same health and far less mana than a similarly levelled unsurged taurian), and moderate int (and yes, 12 int is moderate, not high).

You do something wrong if I can get more health than a merian with your level has ego.
You could easily get 20 charisma, you know?
And I don't get that much of a reduction, trust me.

Forcefield doesn't take away a third of my mana and add it to my ego... though that would be sweet and I'd put up with a mana drain for it

How much ego do you have again?

What the argument is is that downgrading a warriors health to give them extra mana has no real effect against mana kill classes at all. Because a warrior will never ever use surge against them. Surge is only going to ever be used against damage classes like knights and mages. So less health means warriors are downgraded vs mages and other warriors and they are on exactly the same footing against guardians/wiccans etc as before the change so the change makes them weaker overall.

Not saying I agree or disagree just explaining the argument to you.

Yeah, but I don't. Know why? 5k ego is enough for bashing, and I don't use forcefield in combat, so I make due with my 3000 health. So, in combat, I'm taking more damage then knights, with half the health. You all can live with the surge changes, sheesh.



That'd rock for influencing

You can easily get equalish ego to a warrior now. So you can effectivly have the same health as a warrior+have good passive hindering and offence.

Actually, his "5kish health for bashing" is *more* than I have post-surge-nerf.

It's nearly more than I had pre nerf surge, too. Plus, it doesn't count if you don't get more. Why? People keep bringing up warriors with 8k health and so on. That was after several buffs. So I can bring up high-cha-forcefield.

Thats because you're supposed to be the quick and agile warrior, not the stand there forever and not die warrior.

And you are supposed to be the powerfull offensive, but very easy to kill mage.
Latter isn't completely true with forcefield, isn't it?

I'm just going to throw this one thing into the ring. I'm a (relatively) low-level Shadowlord without surge. I get tanked by everything. You know what? Gaining levels isn't going to help much. Surge was the only thing that was keeping me from getting beaten to a handful of gravel everytime I fought. Now it won't.

Which is fine. My unsurged health is just a bit more than yours (one con's worth, pre-weathering). You have forcefield, which makes your "supposed to be a bloody frail Merian frame" more healthy than my surged "less frail than a Merian" form.

And prechange, I was *still* the lowest health warrior... as I said, other races could match my surged health *without using surge at all*. Now they surpass it quite handily.

Hmm.

With 3k health, you won't be killing me with pure damage unless you have some pretty nice weapons. Same is obviously true with 5k health. You have to mess me up to kill me, and if you mess me up, chances are I'll stay messed up, so if I die at 3k health, chances are good you'd get me at 5k ego as well, and take away a whole skillset of mine for an hour. Not to mention that having forcefield up hurts me offensively, and my robes don't protect as much as a knights armor. So I still think mages are the easiest class to take out, with or without forcefield.



Do tell how merians, faelings, and mugwumps manage to ever do anything without surge. I can bash astral with 3k health, although its rather tricky. Same with gorgogs and hammerheads. You can manage.

You're playing a mage. I'm playing a warrior. There should be an appreciable difference in our tankiness.