Morgfyre2008-01-26 03:42:13
QUOTE(Archer2 @ Jan 25 2008, 08:40 PM) 480612
That you need to shush and be satisfied with a job well done? Looks like your eloquent and thought-provoking sigs did the job.
Nah, I actually disabled forum sigs shortly after I saw all those ridiculous red statements start popping up, so they're certainly not influencing me at all.
Ashteru2008-01-26 03:42:23
QUOTE(Catarin @ Jan 26 2008, 04:36 AM) 480645
I did not say or advocate for an adjustment until I had pretty solid data to support it. Ninshi needed to be changed and the speed needed to be addressed. That ninshi had apparently been bugged for the whole time really didn't help matters. Now it is parryable and I already notice a difference as I was able to parry and dodge several forms in a recent fight with Shamarah. I don't feel this change nerfed the class to the degree some people are saying. He was still able to build up ruptures on me, though the rate was not nearly as insane as it had been. Rather than the fight being a series of unstoppable attacks that led to more unstoppable attacks at a rate impossible to even attempt to keep up with, it was a more balanced give and take with curing actually playing a role in the ability to survive.
Poor Sham. If he had to rely on his curing, he probably died. :X
Ashteru2008-01-26 03:42:59
QUOTE(Morgfyre @ Jan 26 2008, 04:42 AM) 480647
Nah, I actually disabled forum sigs shortly after I saw all those ridiculous red statements start popping up, so they're certainly not influencing me at all.
Where exactly can you do that again? I looked for it but couldn't fit it.
Morgfyre2008-01-26 03:44:00
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Jan 25 2008, 09:42 PM) 480649
Where exactly can you do that again? I looked for it but couldn't fit it.
My Controls -> Options -> Board Settings
Ashteru2008-01-26 03:45:52
Thanks!
Unknown2008-01-26 03:46:05
QUOTE(Morgfyre @ Jan 26 2008, 03:42 AM) 480647
Nah, I actually disabled forum sigs shortly after I saw all those ridiculous red statements start popping up, so they're certainly not influencing me at all.

Unknown2008-01-26 03:46:24
Ironically, I gave myself a signature to tell people how to disable their signatures about 10 minutes before I read the latest posts here.
Ildaudid2008-01-26 04:07:49
QUOTE(Catarin @ Jan 25 2008, 10:36 PM) 480645
What I do find curious is that now that ninshi is no longer the "iwin" button that it was while bugged and harder to stance or parry against, some of the people who claimed they were interested in balance are now planning on moving to the next monk guild apparently in the hopes that they will have something to exploit for awhile. That doesn't really speak of wanting balance. And honestly, given the amount of times these same people have been saying "wait and see" regarding people's concerns regarding their skills, it seems they could perhaps "wait and see" as well in regards to these balancing attempts.
You can think what you want, but again you are wrong. Switching guilds would be a mass compiling of things. Which I really would never feel the need to discuss with you or Forren or anyone else for that matter except people I chose to.
And with me being really restricted as in why I like the Emofist design it makes it even harder to explain to people like you. But before Ninjakari was released I spoke of it. After seeing the general intelligence bar of Magnagora drop substantially I thought about it. And prior to any ninjakari changes I talked about it.
It has nothing to do with nerfs, but to do with alot of other things. It is the same as when someone decides to go from PB/AL to BC/BM.... Double venom afflictions is a huge advantage IMO. Which is all that really matters when it comes to the choices I make. My opinion. Shofangi are 1 handers, Tahtetso are 2 handers, Ninjakari are 2 handers, which leaves only to think that Emofist will balance out to 1 handers. If Shofangi were actually stealth users, I probably would have joined them before Ninjakari was even released.
That being said. You don't know me, you don't know how I tried to help balance things out. There are only a few here that saw the big nerf I proposed for all monks in general, including the ninjakari. Which at this point in time was turned down for some other changes. You also were not there where I along with several others agreed with removing things like the rupture instakill. So you probably would need to refine your broad statements. Well then again opinions are like assholes, and everyone has em.
Catarin2008-01-26 04:17:24
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Jan 25 2008, 09:07 PM) 480658
That being said. You don't know me, you don't know how I tried to help balance things out. There are only a few here that saw the big nerf I proposed for all monks in general, including the ninjakari. Which at this point in time was turned down for some other changes. You also were not there where I along with several others agreed with removing things like the rupture instakill. So you probably would need to refine your broad statements. Well then again opinions are like assholes, and everyone has em.
I was there actually. I saw your posts, I posted myself in fact. If you do not wish people to think you're making a guild change due to these changes you probably shouldn't indicate you are as well as post about this very personal, very deep decision in a discussion regarding ninjakari downgrades. It tends to give the wrong impression really. Of course, I was not really even referring to you quite as much as the others mentioned by another poster.
Ildaudid2008-01-26 04:28:30
QUOTE(Catarin @ Jan 25 2008, 11:17 PM) 480660
I was there actually. I saw your posts, I posted myself in fact. If you do not wish people to think you're making a guild change due to these changes you probably shouldn't indicate you are as well as post about this very personal, very deep decision in a discussion regarding ninjakari downgrades. It tends to give the wrong impression really. Of course, I was not really even referring to you quite as much as the others mentioned by another poster.
I didn't notice you in the Monk Development team. Musta missed it. And I took it personal since it looked like I was the only one who said I was considering it. And I only saw the term 6 people have said something. But since I don't know what 6 people Ethelon was referring to, they could be nov's for all I know, I assumed you meant me.
-Note-
Yes... assuming does make and ass outta u and me.... I am guilty of breaking my own rule.
edit - oh there you are, on page 3 or 4 it was... damn you keep real quiet in there dontcha?? damn you ninja addition to that thread

Tervic2008-01-26 11:15:29
Reading through here, there is one point I think need to be driven home fairly hard.
It was mathematically proven that a ninjakari could shoot out enough ruptures fast enough against a mathematically perfect system suffering zero lagtime to very quickly overwhelm it. The proof is on another thread, but the point is that those conditions existed and people who maintain in saying "Learn to cure and we're not overpowered" are really grating on my nerves. If a mathematical construct says its impossible, "learning to cure" won't fix diddly, so please let me never hear questions like that ever again from anyone when proofs exist such that the opposing argument has no ground on which to exist. In my opinion, these mathematical impossibilities should never have existed in the first place, but hey, that's what the envoy/summit/changes/whatever it is they call it system is for, I guess.
As I said before, if it's mathematically impossible, you can't magically write a system to take care of all the problems for you. That is what necessitated the nerf bat, for both monks and bards, who had a mathematically DISGUSTING afflicting power (I think at the worst I calc'd it at up to 10 in a single blow if everything ticked at the same time) while passively dealing well in excess of 1000 damage with maelstrom.
I think you'll survive. The only times I see warriors without a speed bonused race hitting anywhere near that fast is with a 280 speed warrior weapon, which usually entails nearly no damage (below 500 for one combo, if I recall) and very low precision. Heavy wounders tend to go at about 3.5 to 4 seconds, so in relation to warriors, 2.5 for a monk feels about right. Well.... to me at least.
People who are recovering from colorectal cancer sometimes don't (have a rectum, that is. I'm sure they still have opinions). But that's just me being a sick, disgusting, sleep-deprived pedantic weirdo, bringing up something like that. If you're -really- morbidly curious, just google search Colostomy and be enlightened.
Minor edits made to clarify my points.
QUOTE(Revan @ Jan 21 2008, 06:39 PM) 479291
how do you know? Have you cured ninjakari flawlessly?
It was mathematically proven that a ninjakari could shoot out enough ruptures fast enough against a mathematically perfect system suffering zero lagtime to very quickly overwhelm it. The proof is on another thread, but the point is that those conditions existed and people who maintain in saying "Learn to cure and we're not overpowered" are really grating on my nerves. If a mathematical construct says its impossible, "learning to cure" won't fix diddly, so please let me never hear questions like that ever again from anyone when proofs exist such that the opposing argument has no ground on which to exist. In my opinion, these mathematical impossibilities should never have existed in the first place, but hey, that's what the envoy/summit/changes/whatever it is they call it system is for, I guess.
QUOTE(Rian @ Jan 25 2008, 07:14 PM) 480641
I don't understand why we can't just adapt to monks better. While Ninjakari may or may not be OP (I haven't fought them, just seen logs and read the forums), it still stands to reason that the monks are going to be something that's going to be new and difficult to deal with at first.
As I said before, if it's mathematically impossible, you can't magically write a system to take care of all the problems for you. That is what necessitated the nerf bat, for both monks and bards, who had a mathematically DISGUSTING afflicting power (I think at the worst I calc'd it at up to 10 in a single blow if everything ticked at the same time) while passively dealing well in excess of 1000 damage with maelstrom.
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Jan 25 2008, 04:28 PM) 480521
Kata is now about .5 seconds slower..
206 speed chain is about .3 seconds slower than a 221 as a faeling(2.25 vs 2.55 averaged out).
206 speed chain is about .3 seconds slower than a 221 as a faeling(2.25 vs 2.55 averaged out).
I think you'll survive. The only times I see warriors without a speed bonused race hitting anywhere near that fast is with a 280 speed warrior weapon, which usually entails nearly no damage (below 500 for one combo, if I recall) and very low precision. Heavy wounders tend to go at about 3.5 to 4 seconds, so in relation to warriors, 2.5 for a monk feels about right. Well.... to me at least.
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Jan 25 2008, 08:07 PM) 480658
Well then again opinions are like assholes, and everyone has em.
People who are recovering from colorectal cancer sometimes don't (have a rectum, that is. I'm sure they still have opinions). But that's just me being a sick, disgusting, sleep-deprived pedantic weirdo, bringing up something like that. If you're -really- morbidly curious, just google search Colostomy and be enlightened.
Minor edits made to clarify my points.
Forren2008-01-26 13:38:29
Tervic wins the page for a quality post.
Ildaudid2008-01-26 18:53:08
QUOTE(Forren @ Jan 26 2008, 08:38 AM) 480743
Tervic wins the page for a quality post.
And for teaching me all about....
colorectal cancer!!
umm thanks!! yay! >.>
Revan2008-01-26 18:56:39
Forren, I think he was being sarcastic, silly griefer 

Ildaudid2008-01-26 19:03:50
QUOTE(Revan @ Jan 26 2008, 01:56 PM) 480776
Forren, I think he was being sarcastic, silly griefer 

Wait is it Tervic or Tekora that uses the Freddie Mercury pic usually. Now I am confused. The one who usually uses it will defend Ninjakari (and thusly be sarcastic) the other would poke fun and be serious...

Rika2008-01-26 19:04:59
Tekora usually uses it.
...
Or does he?
...
Or does he?
Unknown2008-01-26 23:53:32
QUOTE
ANNOUNCE NEWS #1004
Date: 1/26/2008 at 19:59
From: Roark Libertas
To : Everyone
Subj: Few More Changes
+ Added a message when ninshi makes health potion fail.
+ Made Stag medicinebag uneffected by ninshi.
+ Adjusted monk and bard bashing damage to be closer to other classes.
Penned by My hand on the 2nd of Roarkian, in the year 196 CE.
Date: 1/26/2008 at 19:59
From: Roark Libertas
To : Everyone
Subj: Few More Changes
+ Added a message when ninshi makes health potion fail.
+ Made Stag medicinebag uneffected by ninshi.
+ Adjusted monk and bard bashing damage to be closer to other classes.
Penned by My hand on the 2nd of Roarkian, in the year 196 CE.
What does adjusting monk and bard bashing damage mean? Did it go down or up? I'm not sure I knew where it was in comparison to other classes.
Xavius2008-01-26 23:54:15
It went down.
Unknown2008-01-27 00:18:42
But... but... bashing was already tedious enough before 

Ildaudid2008-01-27 01:08:36
QUOTE(Rian @ Jan 26 2008, 06:53 PM) 480880
What does adjusting monk and bard bashing damage mean? Did it go down or up? I'm not sure I knew where it was in comparison to other classes.
yeah heard it was going down ALOT, so good luck with bashing to titan or anything as a monk.

thank god I just got the new advanced wars, and prebought my assassin's creed prequel that is out on DS on the 4th.
Will be better than hitting a mob 10 (x3) times to get a kill
