Ah.

Heh...

I didn't see the contagion thing woot that is nice.

As for the tripleflash, I agree it needed a change, but the cost should have dropped as well if it was to be cut in half. Also if it only stops half the attacks from NPC's that kinda sucks as well. Used to be able to use it when the tracking mobs ganked up 5+ in a room and you needed to kill a few of em to make it manageable (so serpent wasn't an option), but if it got the stick against mobs as well.... ouchies.

Some very good changes in this round.

Only question I have is about the burstorgans. On one hand the disembowelment buff is very very nice and warranted for blademasters I would say, but I don't know if I'm too thrilled about shortening an instakill for bonecrushers that can be maneuvered to be done behind blackout. That gives them two maneuvered instakills that will take pure luck to stop if they have the power to start the maneuver with a crush (and necessary wounds of course).

Im soo pisssed.. 10p for 50% chance of dodging? and whats this -- i heard if someone uses web or pinlegs, it also apparently does not work?

10p? no, wait.. thats diyes, juu, ten power? la habla espanol!! what the..

Reminds of the telekinetic heartburst.. 12vessels to trigger.. which as is well known, is so hard to setup might as well be non-existent..

lusternia, how many useless skills are you planning on creating?

Edit: I have a nagging suspicion this was done because of triple-flashing monks. Monks wasting 10p for 20sec of pure offense is sweet.. but a bard losing 10p is not..

lesson is.. nerf monks

TK needs some serious buffs. I had the idea of deleting heartburst, because yes, it's impossible to set up against anyone who can diagnose and sip/read/sparkle and if you do manage 4 clots they will die from bleeding anyways. Instead, replace it with a skill that for 5 power, you excite the heart muscles and it destroys one clot, but doubles the bleeding the target currently has. Requires at least one clot.

And make dagger not suck.

Does this mean you can't gust yourself out of PerfectFifth anymore? Why not?

It was a much more innocuous list. Flow, spores, Night flight, things like that.

STOP NERFING BARDS FFS

Or are we nerfing monks?

- Music Blanknote will not go through prismatic barriers
You lose

Uh, that sounds a lot more like a bug fix than a nerf, so I don't really lose. I figured you were talking about tripleflash, since that IS a nerf.

Yea i was but i had nothing i could rebuttle with

When you have nothing to rebuttal with, obviously your argument has lost.

Its not necissarily a bug fix, not everything is blocked by the barrier. Either way, its definitely worse for bards

Any sort of physical / song attack is blocked by it-- it's just the mental things that aren't. Seems pretty straightforward to me!

From the new changes..



this made me laugh.. so before, toads can still kick your ass?

wish I could have seen a "moondancer has been slain by a toad" line from deathsight at least once..

two bard changes to suggest.

Captivate should require equilibrium to use. Bard on Bard combat is really stupid when the other bard can just blanknote/captivate you in one go and you can't ever hear your own defensive songs. It's a nerf to bards, but it also helps in the sense that it's only a nerf to bard-on-bard combat (which is really annoying to begin with-- but maybe that's the -2 to magic talking...). This problem will get worse over time.

Octave should work like captivate. There needs to be a delay on moving so that octave doesn't drop, and you have a chance to get back in the room. Things like tackle, gust, suck. We need all the power we can get, and wasting 3 is not an option.

and a third, kinda BIG change that I don't really expect anyone to take seriously. Change the skillchoice from tarot or glamours to tarot or acrobatics. Just give everyone glamours. You'll see more diversity. It might sound odd at first, maybe even op. But think about it-- if I went to tarot I'd lose dodging, sprint, handspring, etc. and get all the tarot skills for offense. Might be pretty fair tradeoff.

Hm, wouldn't that mean bards don't have a primary defence? Ie, mages have stoneskin, warriors have their mega armor and athletics, guardians have draconis or some sort...but that leaves bards out. I always imagined dodging as taking the place of armor spells.

Acrobatics and illusoryself. I'll take that over stoneskin any day.

Give glamours to mages!

edit: Why would you choose tarot over acrobatics...ever?

Tarot might not be a huge deal, but the synergy you would get from ecology and glamours is a little scary. Not all bards have the tarot choice.