Has Sobbing Dread and Wrathful Canticle always been in Necroscream?

Actually that is a point, now that necroscream has moved towards revolving around plague afflictions and keeping them incurable. I assume that the hunger affliction songs are to removed? Move the guild completely away from them and prevent the guild being perfectly viable in short fights and virtually unstoppable in long fights.

You're hearing an awful lot of the time against a bard (and why wouldn't they undeaf you? Not like there isn't still a large stun on it.) So long as they still have easy hunger access like that long-term attrition fights will be imbalanced in the bard's favour. Spiritsingers are working to remove this aspect from their skillset, quite rightly too.

Worms probably does need something extra to do though. Bards aren't the only ones that give it and the others don't rely on hunger (e.g slaugh, hexen in general, ur'guard with contagion, etc.)

Well, they just got a glamours fix and a bunch of song buffs. I wouldn't stick with the conclusion that they're "still" weak until it's been tested more thoroughly.

As for worms...there are a whole bunch of things it could do, like damping sips slightly or taking 2 seconds of purgative balance to cure (and always being cured first) or whatever.
That said, I am not convinced Cacophony offence hinges enough on worms that if hunger was changed they would be totally gimped. This is a secondary issue at best.

Have food on you and you don't have to worry about hunger!

And that's why bards need a kill that isn't damage... and discordantchord needs fixing.

If you have a long term fight you will need fight, otherwise hunger wont even be an effect. In a long fight plague afflictions will have a limited effect but not be an end all beat all by any means. Worms would be an entirely useless aff without hunger as well.

as if it mattered, so I acknowledged that on some level it does and dismissed it as especially relevant to clear the issue up. Worms could stand a change anyway, but it doesn't have a lot to do with whether the cacophony hunger song and similar effects should be changed or not.

@Malarious: Right. Worms isn't that critical. You said this:

as if it mattered, so I acknowledged that on some level it does and dismissed it as especially relevant to clear the issue up. Worms could stand a change anyway, but it doesn't have a lot to do with whether the cacophony hunger song and similar effects should be changed or not.
When 20% of your offense (1 in 5 affs) is entirely useless that can have an effect based on the tic of the luck (stupidity comes to mind).

If worms did something useful so all the afflictions might have some purpose.. then by all means. While worms only does something for hunger, and is therefore rather useless you need some synergy for it .

Its not 'required' but it is kind of essential (whole having 20% useless offense again).

See: Crow Spit.
Argument: Dismissed.

Counter: Dismissed

Fix the skill or admit it wasnt particularly made to be useful

When your offense is plague affs, they should do somethin

See: Crow Spit.
Argument: Dismissed.

Quit making out that somehow Cacophony offense is crap when it's quite the opposite, it's getting quite tiring.

Uh, a lot of Crow skills weren't particularly made to be useful except as flavour. I think that's been admitted for quite some time now.

Still, passive diseases > active diseases (so while doing them, you can't do anything else). It's not like it hurts you, and don't forget that worms is also: Hexes, various Night skills, etc. It can't really be buffed without buffing them.

(Somehow, I get the feeling that you didn't really forget that, but just didn't feel like mentioning it...)

Crow just sucks it has no love.