Not as a ritualist. Totems and hunting maybe.

...uh...contagion, eyepeck, etc.? Why are you asking this? Are you trying to take offence at the fact I said weapons are your primary offence?

Eyepeck?

*spams Eyepeck on Shiri*

Necromancy and Sacraments works the exact same way for a warrior as they do for a guardian. So...yeah, actually, if you're talking about active offense, rituals beats the other two. I'd still take Night/Moon for the passives, but not for their active skills.

Not quite. I thought you might be referring to those things, but all Totems abilities are either passive or 'world interaction' abilities. All of my Shadow abilities (Bonds, Choke, etc) are all fire-and-forget until they need to be refreshed. Additionally, I thought you might somehow, maybe, POSSIBLY be referring to a kind of uber, hidden, passive ability that warriors to this day haven't discovered, but your massive intellectual mind has.

I really do not see how spamming tertiary skills does any of us any good. I've never seen a Stag Serenguard Gore someone to death (although I've seen a couple Harts do it), and I've never seen a lone UG actually Crucify/Sacrifice someone. A warrior's only REAL offense is his weapons. It's all physical, and in no way passive. We do things manually.

I know all this. Why are you bringing it up? Did you misread my post?

I suppose it was a mixture of Celina's remark on the 'paid for it' excuse, and a misunderstanding on my part. From where I'm standing, I can see that the best warriors are those who paid for the advantages, and for some reason when I read your post I thought you were insinuating that warriors have some other kind of offense than their weapons. My bad

Moonburst used to be pretty good offense for a Serenguard sometimes.

Lies. Ceren is the best warrior in the game and I don't believe he has runes for his weapons!

Conversely, I have pretty much every artifact a warrior can have, yet I'm no great warrior. See? I can play devil's advocate and use your own logic against you. Ha!

Arties+demigod make even sub par to mediocre warriors a real threat

See: Rika

Totally. Placing Great Runes of the Puissant Knight on rapiers makes me an artied bonecrusher.

Thanks for the compliment.

Are there any arties that will make ME a real threat? Or am I destined to be warrior fodder?

Why do warriors have all the fun?

You do know that those are flails you are using...right? Unless you ninja'd back to BM since the last domoth....

Anywho, I meant to do Arties/Demigod. An and/or type thing. Last I knew you didn't have any.

That was my point exactly. The only runes I have are on my old pair of rapiers because I don't want them to lose decay time until someone wants them or I need to use the credits. I thanked you for saying I'm a real threat now, despite not having any runes.

You are. You keep killing me.

Just imagine if 1) I get runed up or 2) Geb finishes teaching me how to fight better.

Bashara, most of the best warriors would eat you alive with mundane weapons. It is not a matter of them having artifacts that make them better than you. It is a matter of them having better healing that makes them better than you. Artifacts will help put you down quicker, but if you learn how to heal well and know how to use your defensive skills well artifact weapons will make no difference in the outcome of your fights.

Now for cloth wearers, artifacts or no artifacts cloth wearers who do not have transcendant resilience and combat will have a tough time ahead of them. Part of that problem has to do with how armour stats are working. We are still waiting on the fix for that, so that cloth wearers are not easy fodder anymore. Another part is that those two skills I mentioned go a long way with helping a cloth wearer deal with a warrior’s damage. Add in the right type of proofings plus good use of passive and active hindering and a cloth wearer can survive even pre-racial change demigod-shadowlord faelings who possess artifacts. It was not easy, but it was possible with the right knowledge and training in skills. Still, the armour problem really needs to be fixed so that cloth wearers without splendor robes have a greater fighting chance against warriors.

The 10 point (max right?) difference between great and splendor has that large of an impact? I can see how there is a huge gap between greater and fullplate, but I guess I do not see splendors as helping much against warriors (their extra proofing on the other hand is their big selling point).

Yes, 10 points has a very large impact, along with transcendent resilience + combat.