We all know, of course, that swords like Daevos' are easily acquirable, and most warriors are in the 85-100 level range.

EDIT: Aren't we also all Omnitrans?

1100 to a Mage is lot more than 1100 to a Warrior.

Not really, I've got 11 con base and 1k damage from a warrior every 4 seconds is no trouble at all really.

1100 is over a third of my base health. I can keep up with the sipping with the occational staff twirl, but I need to cure deepwounds too. Warriors don't really have room to complain, from what I see, although the lower end ones can be pretty pitiful I'll admit.

You have massive racial disadvantages, and not even trans guildskills. The issues in my questions post are brutally valid and really need to be addressed. Ferlas, who has a mere 3k health has no trouble whatsoever tanking the most damaging warrior in the game. The trend is that damage warriors have been getting nerfed for some time now, whereas mages have been getting upgrades. What's worse is that some of the nerfs are HUGE (e.g. lunge damage nerf) and were not announced-- I really hope it's a coding error.

Umm.. that was 1100 damage being done to me... with ONE sword. That's alot... that's 2200 a combo. I have 3k health. Ixion, how does it prove your point? it proves that... a titan can tank your damage.. but a normal mage cannot

Pureblades only use one weapon. So it's 1100, period. Not 2200. Think again.

I am an idiot. Do not listen to what I say

Isn't she a knight? Sounds to me like you're just pissed that lunge head lunge head isn't a guaranteed kill against 95% of people any more.

Ferlas is a wiccan meaning with just nightkiss and all her defs she is not as tanky as a knight but she is sure as hell can tank more then a mage with no forcefield. In my opinion at this point if your not a two hander knight I see no need to complain about lack of ways to kill. Yes there is rebounding and stance but when you do wounds on top with your damage which give good afflictions as the fight goes on these things are needed.

Ferlas is a furrikin shadowdancer, a wiccan.

I suggest you re-read the post, and think a little bit.



Another person who tries to argue and ends up proving my points. Thank you.

If you're a damage warrior, your wounds are close to negligable, so you will not, repeat NOT, have good wound state afflictions and the damage on top of that. You must choose one or the other. Time and time again those who try to do both wounds and damage fall into a mediocre category of fighting at best.

I would have to disagree, Ixion. Wounding is anything but negligible.
Top level fighters don't die to damage directly. But, if your damage output is enough to keep them sipping health and not applying it, you can easily take them down to critical state. My precision is still high enough to bring people down to an impale in four lunges which, if they are only healing my 700 damage per swing, is quite easy to achieve.

Then again, certain "top tier" fighters only have 3000 or so health, so my haymaker is usually an instakill.

That assumes you don't get hindered. If a damage warrior gets hindered for more than a round, you might as well just start from scratch. With timeslip and/or web, on top of stance/parry/rebound/miss chance, you're quite mistaken.

Haymaker.. thanks for the laugh. So very mistaken, Folkien.

Target Murphy, robes cutting: 73, trans resilience. Ixion's str at time of test: 19.

CODE
3420h, 3708m, 3654e, 10p esSilrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You are struck in the chest for a small surface wound.
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You are struck in the chest for a small surface wound.
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You are struck in the chest for a small surface wound.
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. You receive a bloody gash from the strike to your chest.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
1582h, 3708m, 3654e, 10p esSilrxk

Total damage 1838. 4 hits, NO parry, NO stance, NO rebound NO misses (miss chance is roughly 20%)

Edit: Mages aren't nearly as weak as people think.

CODE
3412h, 3228m, 3654e, 10p esSilrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. Ixion strikes your right arm, striking a major artery which splurts blood in all directions.
2871h, 3228m, 3654e, 10p esSilrxk-
With a focused look, Ixion strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic broadsword. Ixion strikes your right arm, striking a major artery which splurts blood in all directions.
A prickly stinging overcomes your body, fading away into numbness.
2319h, 3228m, 3654e, 10p esSilrxkp-

Total damage per hit: 541, 552.
Total damage: 1093
Note: He did not have psiarmour up.

Not everybody with robes have 73 cutting robes.

Not everyone is a Titan with high damage weapons either...

He got those robes from the best, after all

They are attainable Thoros. Gamebalance at omnitrans means that if I can get 73 cutting robes, then offence has to be balanced based on that ability.

I disagree. The game needs to be balanced on averages, not extremes. The very best possible set of armour should not be the one you need to play out your full defense, just as the very best possible set of blades should not be a necessity to play out your full offense.

Rather, it is the attainable deviation of the extremes that needs to be balanced according to the averages.

Or, in other words, I should not have to spend weeks and weeks forging a maximum blade just to stand a reasonable chance against a seasoned warrior, just as I shouldn't have to get a few dozend greatrobes enchanted to not be wiped into the ground instantly.

But that's just a

Actually David that's where you are wrong. It's a wide knowledge that all skills are based at omnitrans, and based one a 1v1 basis.

So yes, to play out your best defence you need the best or close to it robes you can get, and you need the best, or close to it weapons you can possibly get.

The game is balanced based of the knowledge that these things are possible, if they don't then anyone who gets them will be overpowered and just silly.

You have to spend weeks of bashing to get a decent level for combat, you mightn't need to spend forever forging but it will take you some time, or you can buy a set from a forger.

That sounds about rght 1100 damage is about a third of my health with the max health of 3200, I can tank that alone with sipping and hindering but as you said that dosnt take into account wounds or hindering, Im saying I can tank ixion the biggest damage warrior in the game with no hindering. Add in hindering and I can tank him exceptionally easy and never let him build up any significant wounds. And note my hindering is worse than a mage in demense so if you say your taking the same damage as me and you have better hindering I cant see any reason why your not tanking ixion easily.



Not true in fact as we already pointed out testing on telrath a mage, he took the same damage I did, It brings us back to the previous point that classes like mages and wiccans can easily tank the worst damage warrior in the game.



Sorry murphy but I do kind of agree with david here.

I am the average and Im tanking the extreame exceptionally easy. I mean I could become the extreame as he said and get the best robes in the game then I'd be able to tank the warrior extreame with no problem at all I think.

I have normal robes and easyish to get skills, ixion has excessively powerful swords that you just can not get any more. My normal or average is easily tanking the warrior extreame. Thats got to tell you something about how and where warriors need upgrades.