buh?

You must be looking at something else cause the foal gives the very small chance of partially intercepting an attack to all Serens. It's only other effect is for stag users only buffing ringwalk (likely higher chance to block), parade (eq recovered more quickly?) and the curse (lasts longer seems more likely, but afflicting faster is possible)

I think some of you missed the part where Prav was responding to Aicuthi about something and mentioned that his comment wasn't necessarily about constructs. Attacking his ideas about a different topic that were not suggested as construct powers is not very constructive.


I'm still confused why you think it makes sense that the only guardian guild in the game (the one that lives in the FLYING CITY) that does not have any inherent ability to fly using guild skills doesn't need a flight ability. Can someone please provide a rationale about why the administration does not want us to have flight?

Also, the way Hallifax (and it looks like Gaudiguch too) constructs are right now, they are a lot less advantageous than what Magnagora, Glomdoring, Celest, and Serenwilde have with regard to their original constructs (Black Crypt, Angel Font, Night Altar, Moon Altar), and the help file in the game straight out says that these constructs are meant to be powerful:



I don't think anyone can really point to any of the Gaudi or Halli constructs and find one that is even on the same level as Crypt/Font/Altars. I don't think we are expecting all of our constructs to give extreme bonuses, but I think it is obvious that we are unhappy that we got the short end of the stick when it comes to constructs. I think it is understandable that we should feel this way, but I'm confused why the administration (or Eventru at least, whom I value his opinion about the game) are not willing to compare the constructs and say "Hmm... that actually is a little off!". And as much as I hate asking for nerfs, Estarra has given me the impression by her posts that she doesn't want constructs to be something that the players feel we "need" to have and cry when we don't have them, but if that is the case why aren't Font/Crypt/Altars being toned down with respect to what Gaudi and Halli have?

I wholly disregard any notion that every guild needs to be a copy/paste of its relative equivalents (and the argument 'everyone else has it' is obnoxious, and wins no points - I hope we've moved away from the days where opposing guilds are reflections of one another, like Celestialism/Nihilism). Beyond that, thematically, it does not make a lot of sense for the Institute to have flight. Beyond that, in every city, one guild has flight - in Hallifax, it is (logically!) the aeromancers - where no other mage guild has flight. One could argue Pyromancer's due to phoenix, but it requires the requisite skill in beastmastery, so the argument is pretty null.

Of course, we aren't unsympathetic (being that you live in a flying city and can't fly!) - so one of your constructs gives flight to any city member who uses it.

Hey, by all means nerf the Altar if that'll make you happy. Which of the supposedly gamebreaking powers do you want to get rid of? Access to Astral, individual coning, moonbeam, covens, regeneration or the +1 cha?

Oh, we get to pick? Moonbeam it is!

(sorry in advance.)

I never claimed they were game breaking, just that they are a lot better than the constructs Gaudi and Halli got and it looks like it was designed that way. Either give Halli and Gaudi a construct on that level, or nerf them all down to Halli and Gaudi. That's called balance.

Whee!

Hey, hey, the offer was to the Hallifaxians. If you want to offer up the Night Altar, then we can talk.



I'm giving you a chance to suggest what powers you want to nerf from the Moon Altar. Here, I'll post it all again as it is written in the game:

I believe Rika was just trying to say that ours isn't super spectacular. It's good, and we like it, but it's not really better than yours.

Vadi, watch it there. Glom's is being eyed up, too, y'know.

Yes, it is. And honestly you could pick or choose two or three of those things and remove them and it would still be as good or better.

Just compare



to this



Hopefully a side by side comparison will illuminate the obvious disparity.

It's all a matter of perspective, I suppose. I don't use most of those benefits myself, so I couldn't care less about most of them. The moonchilde coven thing is great, but that's all I need, and I consider that repairing a disparity more than adding a bonus.

I may not play any more, but I do lurk about on the forums. All I'm reading from this thread from Gaudiguch and Hallifax is a bunch of bawwww.

First of all, the concept of balance isn't everyone having equal amount of construct powers to one another. The concept of balance means that something isn't gamebreaking or so blatantly broken that it sets the other organizations on a much higher scale of ability than the other. From what I've read, this doesn't seem to be the case. Serenwilde's Altar is fine. Just because your construct isn't as great doesn't mean that their construct (which has been around for what, two years now?) is suddenly deserving of a nerf because yours isn't as spectacular. Your construct is fine, Hallifax. Grow up.

Let's also factor in the point that Hallifax and Gaudiguch, class wise, are a lot more up to date and modern with their abilities than an org like Serenwilde. I think it's perfectly "balanced".

Comparing it to Crystalspire (which I think was widely expected to be the Altar/Crypt/Font analogue):

Well, what do you think is fair if you had to knock it down? Without thinking too much about it, I would say dropping the regen and +1 stat.



Ah, I don't know. I think that is debatable. Although I don't know much about moon covens, being able to be a non-night user in a night coven was pretty sweet, as is a stat boost and the outdoor regen. Free ageing is essentially useless (and really there is no reason for anyone to need to have free access to it), mindclock is decent but also has reduced to no usefulness against the majority of the game, and the quickening is good but for only 4 minutes out of every day when people could just get celerity. Eh, I think you guys got the better deal though looking at Moon Altar, it seems much less impressive than Night Altar.

Ignoring the troll, what disparity is that repairing?

I am noticing you here, but not on other forms of communication.

Most of Moon/Night is useless unless you get 5+ Moon/Night people together? All the moonchilde/nightwraith defense does is allow people to stand in as bodies.

I'll agree with you that the aging thing is pretty darned useless, though.

In gaudiguch and now Celest, I find myself missing 24 DMP and freaking weapon aura. And the ablitity to cone as a knight. While sacraments has some fun toys, for my purposes, I'd trade for the crazy trans skill!

Okay, if that's all that it takes to make you happy, I'm fine with removing those two things.

If you think aeon isn't still very strong and vital to some parts of the game, you are very wrong. Just because you don't deal with it often, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I see a 20% (even more for aeonic users) resistance to aeon to be a pretty big thing. Quickening will stack with celerity, and most full on head to head fights (as opposed to standoffs) take less than 4 minutes. Mooncovens are used primarily for two things. One is resurgem, the other is the 5% harvest experience boost.

Alright, I'll give you that - but I don't believe you don't use the regen and charisma...since you can't really turn it off if you have the aura.

Go back to Aetolia.

We don't miss you.

I mean, if you really think Hallifax actually wants every Construct in the game nerfed to match their own level of underwhelming, you're trolling worse than usual.