Warriors, in attacking, are afflicting and hindering. So they're doing damage, and afflictions that prevent you from curing/running.

For heartburst, if you're trying to get 12 vessels, you have 2 channels to do stuff, assuming you have nothing locked (such as forcefield). These channels have roughly a 4 second and a 6 second balance. And really, you're not going to get much done with those. Even with all three channels active, in a demesne, its a breeze to just walk away from the attacker.
Me too.

I really wish I could be garanteed a kill in 108 seconds.

I guess you forgot about Currents or Whirlpool or that Needlerains will also strip Waterwalking. A Geomancer can put up Duststorms, Stonewalls/Freeze ground. I'm sorry but I don't see how it's a 'breeze' to just walk away from the attacker. Do you need me to go dig up the logs of people complaining about those very effects?

In reality, it is MUCH more than this, due to hindrance (Yes folks, Psionists CAN be hindered) such as stunning, stupidity, etc. Additionally, there's lag, delays, the enemy running, etc.

Heartburst'll never happen in 108 seconds.

This was the theoretical absolute minimum.

In reality, it is MUCH more than this, due to hindrance (Yes folks, Psionists CAN be hindered) such as stunning, stupidity, etc. Additionally, there's lag, delays, the enemy running, etc.

Guesstimating, I'd say it's at least 150-180 seconds.

Yeah, again, wish my fights where that quick. Its more like 600 seconds for me, if I'm lucky.

Currents can actually help you get away (and often hinder me from getting a kill, I rarely use it against individuals). Deluge lasts no longer then 5 minutes, most likely significantly shorter from what I've seen, so waterwalking doesn't matter for long, unless you get a lull in combat and the mage notices its gone. From my experience, yes, it really isn't that hard to wander away from a mage, especially, as Forren noted, more often then not, we don't get a chance to make a demesne of any notable size. And demesnes are tiny now too, not like you have far to go to escape these effects.

A sudden shiver shoots up your spine, making you involuntarily jerk as a
creeping sensation crawls over your skin.
here
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p exk-
ne
A the strong currents of the water spin and churn, pulling you back as you try
to swim away.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-

(The Midnight Legion): Daevos says, "Are they still there?"
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-
ne
You must regain balance first.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-

/=========================\\
{ Balance Recovered }
\\=========================/
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p exk-
ne
A the strong currents of the water spin and churn, pulling you back as you try
to swim away.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-

Mitch's eyelids flutter as though drifting off to sleep. A bank of cloudy mist
spreads across the ground beneath you.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-
ne
A the strong currents of the water spin and churn, pulling you back as you try
to swim away.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-
ne
A the strong currents of the water spin and churn, pulling you back as you try
to swim away.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-

A hideous archdemon grabs the shoulders of Mitch and gutturally whispers
something to him in a harsh and unknown language.
A hideous archdemon forms a ball of darkness in his palm, then hurls it at
Mitch, striking him full in the chest. Shadowy tendrils burst forth and slither
over his skin.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-

The white mist here washes over you in a wave of ghostly tendrils.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-

Mitch eats a bunch of pennyroyal.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-
ne
A the strong currents of the water spin and churn, pulling you back as you try
to swim away.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-
ne
You must regain balance first.
3940h, 4360m, 3888e, 10p ek-

/=========================\\
{ Balance Recovered }
\\=========================/

I have an idea: lets bring sentinel groves abilities in the game to replace demesne abilities... then we'll see how long it takes till you want the old abilities back

Really, demesne are close to useless, unless you can do alot of damage... which only 3-4 people can do.

You're using a log from guido to support a combat theory?

A tumble would have gotten him away anyways. Or even a lucky current.

Your point? I call things as I see them, and in this case the log shows exactly my point. It is neither a breeze nor simple as you so elegantly stated.

Umm... I cannot begin to say how completely and utterly... WRONG you are, terenas Are we thinking of the same groves here? Golem, bees, lightning, etc.? And I believe Sentinels DO have groves, unles I'm mixing up the name... sentarii, maybe?

My point? I doubt a single Aquamancer could keep me in their demesne, using any ability at their disposal, should I decide I didn't wish to be there. Probably not many of the other demesne guilds, but I don't know their skills as well, so its hard to say. If you're trying to heartburst, you're limiting yourself even further.

As I've said before, your opponent have to want to be there to fight you, and in this case Heartburst will easily kill anyone within less than 2 minutes.