Xenthos2006-06-20 21:15:41
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 20 2006, 05:11 PM) 300404
Or just simply allow you to eat faeleaf to put up sixthsense (even if you are blind and deaf), rather than eating myrtle twice to cure blindness/deafness than eating faeleaf. Same for when someone strips deafness, eat faeleaf once to put it back up with sixthsense. And make transfix work the same way, so it actually strips blindness rather than doing nothing, and you can just eat faeleaf to put blindness back up along with sixth sense. Myrtle would be reserved for actually removing blindness and deafness.
That would work. Sixth sense is put up whenever you eat a faeleaf, faeleaf no longer cures blindness or deafness first, it just gives you sixth sense / blind / deafness. If one of the blindness / deafness bits is cured, you lose sixth sense until you eat faeleaf again.
Sylphas2006-06-20 21:15:58
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 20 2006, 05:11 PM) 300404
Or just simply allow you to eat faeleaf to put up sixthsense (even if you are blind and deaf), rather than eating myrtle twice to cure blindness/deafness than eating faeleaf. Same for when someone strips deafness, eat faeleaf once to put it back up with sixthsense. And make transfix work the same way, so it actually strips blindness rather than doing nothing, and you can just eat faeleaf to put blindness back up along with sixth sense. Myrtle would be reserved for actually removing blindness and deafness.
And then they remain defenses. Estarra doesn't want that, and I don't know about you guys, but I don't want that. It's that way everywhere else, we should be different.
ferlas2006-06-20 21:19:05
QUOTE(geb @ Jun 20 2006, 06:21 PM) 300317
I am a bit worried about this change. This will make it so that Mindseye is useless. If the person keeps mindseye up, it will take either 3 herbbalance or 2 heal balance and one herbbalance to put it back up. If the person is dealing with someone who has a perfect gem and the means to blind or make a person deaf, it becomes a matter of fall a good bit behind on your healing, or become transfix fodder.
I have to say I like the change, its the only change thats provided any synergy to the game that ive seen yet.
Unknown2006-06-20 21:28:55
QUOTE(Estarra @ Jun 20 2006, 05:14 PM) 300405
Intensive purposes!
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Sixth sense is the defense you want, though blind/deaf is a side effect.
Blindness/deafness are ailments that you shouldn't want.
Hmm... What if sixth sense acted as though you were blind/deaf for skills but didn't actually give you the side effect... just a thought, haven't thought it through too much.
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Anywho, if faeleaf was tweaked then I think the issue would be solved, unless I'm missing something on the disruption scroll/mindseye side of things.
Geb2006-06-20 21:31:29
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 20 2006, 10:19 PM) 300408
I have to say I like the change, its the only change thats provided any synergy to the game that ive seen yet.
Explain what synergy you are talking about please. You do know this allows for some easy behead combos too, if I get the gem that is.
I do like the idea of fixing sixthsense. If it is fixed, then the other problems will be resolved.
Unknown2006-06-20 21:50:03
QUOTE(geb @ Jun 20 2006, 09:31 PM) 300414
Explain what synergy you are talking about please. You do know this allows for some easy behead combos too, if I get the gem that is.
I do like the idea of fixing sixthsense. If it is fixed, then the other problems will be resolved.
Correction, it will allow easy behead/bleed/whatever combos on large races who prioritize sixth-sense over let's say.. yarrow, which is utterly stupid. Small races can writhe out of transfix in 4-6 seconds. Not that big of a deal, considering it takes you time to use the gem as well.
Geb2006-06-20 21:52:03
QUOTE(Stagar Feyranti @ Jun 20 2006, 10:50 PM) 300421
Correction, it will allow easy behead combos on large races who prioritize sixth-sense over let's say.. yarrow, which is utterly stupid. Small races can writhe out of transfix in 4-6 seconds. Not that big of a deal.
You are correcting me, but you have no idea of what I am talking about. I am talking about combos that I can use on any size race considering my class combination.
Unknown2006-06-20 21:55:12
Can't sixthsense just not give blindness or deafness? You could still receive them while having sixthsense and not be affected but if it was stripped, they'd remain.
ferlas2006-06-20 21:57:38
QUOTE(geb @ Jun 20 2006, 10:31 PM) 300414
Explain what synergy you are talking about please. You do know this allows for some easy behead combos too, if I get the gem that is.
I do like the idea of fixing sixthsense. If it is fixed, then the other problems will be resolved.
As you said a warrior now has the option for punishing people for not having six sense on, so you use it against a warrior who will do so. People with transfix can punish people for not having it on so you use it against them. People who can strip sixsense easily can punish you for having it on so you take it off.
An even better example is shadowdancers you can have the sixsense on and avoid the barghest but if you keep the sixsense on then the sensitivity hex and scourge will slow down your herb healing.
Against nilhists you can keep it on and have the demon strip it slowing down your healing or you can leave it off and have no real slowness to your healing but suffer sensitivitly.
It seems a good change to me, its like you actually have to think about your defences and what to do now as opposed to just chucking them up and forgetting about them you have to change them dynamicaly during the fight, it makes it trickier and more interesting.
Unknown2006-06-20 21:58:14
QUOTE(geb @ Jun 20 2006, 09:52 PM) 300423
You are correcting me, but you have no idea of what I am talking about. I am talking about combos that I can use on any size race considering my class combination.
A knight using a gem? That's all I understood from your post, since the topic is now on sixth sense and it being a defense seperate from the afflictions blindness and deafness for purposes of anti-transfixation. What are you smoking? Class combination, knight with a transfix gem? What ARE you talking about? Correct me, by elaborating a bit.
ferlas2006-06-20 21:58:45
ADD: The problem everyone seems to have is the transfix gem not really the changes to six sense, nerf the transfix gem then if everyone is so worried about it.
Unknown2006-06-20 22:05:15
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 20 2006, 09:58 PM) 300429
ADD: The problem everyone seems to have is the transfix gem not really the changes to six sense, nerf the transfix gem then if everyone is so worried about it.
Or, "WRITHE" then pentagram to buy that little bit of extra time to heal what was stacked and re-def.
Unknown2006-06-20 22:15:29
QUOTE(Stagar Feyranti @ Jun 20 2006, 03:05 PM) 300432
Or, "WRITHE" then pentagram to buy that little bit of extra time to heal what was stacked and re-def.
You really shouldn't underestimate Geb.
Also, He'd be a Pureblade Tracker with a Gem. Pureblade Tracker being his class combination.
Geb2006-06-20 22:16:49
QUOTE(Stagar Feyranti @ Jun 20 2006, 11:05 PM) 300432
Or, "WRITHE" then pentagram to buy that little bit of extra time to heal what was stacked and re-def.
Do you know how fast I can raze? Here is an example...
Geb razes your speed defence with a warrior's iron greatsword.
SLOW HIM DOWN WITH WEBBING!!!
4202h, 4471m, 4202e, 10p, 17165en, 18340w elrk<>---/18:13:40.812/
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|REGAINED HEALBALANCE|
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4202h, 4471m, 4202e, 10p, 17165en, 18340w elrk<>---/18:13:41.078/
You take a drink from a coral vial.
4202h, 4434m, 4202e, 10p, 17170en, 18330w elrk<>---/18:13:41.281/
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|REGAINED BALANCE|
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4202h, 4434m, 4202e, 10p, 17170en, 18330w elrxk<>---/18:13:42.140/
1.328 seconds. Shielding against me is a waste of time and effort. Besides, I can cleave right through the shield. You also can't shield until after you have finished writhing.
Ildaudid2006-06-20 22:18:43
QUOTE(Stagar Feyranti @ Jun 20 2006, 05:58 PM) 300428
A knight using a gem? That's all I understood from your post, since the topic is now on sixth sense and it being a defense seperate from the afflictions blindness and deafness for purposes of anti-transfixation. What are you smoking? Class combination, knight with a transfix gem? What ARE you talking about? Correct me, by elaborating a bit.
Stagar what he is talking about is a knight can be a jewler and get his gem... thus causing a knight to have a nice little transfix gem... no shush before they take away my gem before I get it.
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Geb2006-06-20 22:25:09
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 20 2006, 10:57 PM) 300427
As you said a warrior now has the option for punishing people for not having six sense on, so you use it against a warrior who will do so. People with transfix can punish people for not having it on so you use it against them. People who can strip sixsense easily can punish you for having it on so you take it off.
An even better example is shadowdancers you can have the sixsense on and avoid the barghest but if you keep the sixsense on then the sensitivity hex and scourge will slow down your herb healing.
Against nilhists you can keep it on and have the demon strip it slowing down your healing or you can leave it off and have no real slowness to your healing but suffer sensitivitly.
It seems a good change to me, its like you actually have to think about your defences and what to do now as opposed to just chucking them up and forgetting about them you have to change them dynamicaly during the fight, it makes it trickier and more interesting.
People with transfix are the same people that can punish you for having mindseye on or not having it on. The best way to show people around here is to demonstrate what you mean. If Sixthsense remains the way it is now, I will demonstrate exactly what I mean by acquiring a perfect gem.
Unknown2006-06-20 22:43:25
Nihilist dominate is not stopped by deafness. Hence why Murphy is so in love with Luciphage.
Sylphas2006-06-20 22:44:18
Rollwhoring ftw!
Unknown2006-06-20 22:48:12
QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Jun 20 2006, 03:43 PM) 300448
Nihilist dominate is not stopped by deafness. Hence why Murphy is so in love with Luciphage.
Because Murphy is such a model of subtelty, patience, and political prowess
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Unknown2006-06-20 22:48:44
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jun 20 2006, 11:15 AM) 300407
And then they remain defenses. Estarra doesn't want that, and I don't know about you guys, but I don't want that. It's that way everywhere else, we should be different.
It's both a defense and an affliction. If you get hit with the niricol poison or whatever, or senitivity, it strips sixth sense, thus leaving you with an ailment. That's pretty much EXACTLY how it is now, only instead currently, you have to eat THREE herbs to cure ONE affliction. This change brings it in line with how it should be. One affliction, one herb.
Edit: Not the change that was put in, but what I suggested in my prior post, let me edit it in to quote myself.
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 20 2006, 11:11 AM) 300404
Banshee is not stopped by blindness/deafness to my knowledge.
The problem lies in that Deafness/Blindness are also used as defenses, as well as blindness being a horribly debilating affliction, one of the worst around. If you are deffed up to avoid being transfixed over and over, than if you get hit by blindness, you need 3 herb balances to cure it. It's just simply not fair. I had believed that was the reason why myrtle and faeleaf worked as they did, but even then it was kind of unbalanced.
They should either remove transfix, or change the way you defend against. Or just simply allow you to eat faeleaf to put up sixthsense (even if you are blind and deaf), rather than eating myrtle twice to cure blindness/deafness than eating faeleaf. Same for when someone strips deafness, eat faeleaf once to put it back up with sixthsense. And make transfix work the same way, so it actually strips blindness rather than doing nothing, and you can just eat faeleaf to put blindness back up along with sixth sense. Myrtle would be reserved for actually removing blindness and deafness.