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Sylphas2006-06-20 22:51:48
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 20 2006, 06:48 PM) 300451


It's both a defense and an affliction. If you get hit with the niricol poison or whatever, or senitivity, it strips sixth sense, thus leaving you with an ailment. That's pretty much EXACTLY how it is now, only instead currently, you have to eat THREE herbs to cure ONE affliction. This change brings it in line with how it should be. One affliction, one herb.


True, that is kind of retarded. Although if it's easy enough to keep up sixthsense, blindness and deafness aren't the afflictions then, it would be not-sixthsense that was.
Unknown2006-06-20 22:56:20
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jun 20 2006, 12:51 PM) 300454

True, that is kind of retarded. Although if it's easy enough to keep up sixthsense, blindness and deafness aren't the afflictions then, it would be not-sixthsense that was.


No, it'd be blindness and deafness are the afflictions. A lack of a defense is not an affliction, it's the diagnosing yourself and seeing you have blindness.

And what Geb is saying... currently, you have Warriors who will PUNISH you for having sixth sense UP (Niricol... 3 herbs to remove the blindness) and then you have people with transfix or the gem who will PUNISH you for having it DOWN.

Now... Paladins have Transfix in Sacraments (Dazzle) and any Warrior can get a transfix gem. What he is saying is... "GG I can get them both, you lose."

So the simple fix is having Faeleaf give you Sixth sense no matter if you are already blind and deaf (as well as making you blind and deaf), and making transfix/gem strip blindness/sixthsense. Sensitivity would also strip blindness/sixthsense. But it'd be ok, just eat faeleaf, and you got it back.

I mean really, the way it works now is like saying... You have to have the stupidity affliction up as a defense from now on at all times, because we are giving Mages a OMFGWTFBBQ telepathy attack that hits for ROFLCOPTER if you don't have stupidity up, and instantly kills you. Exaggerated for emphasis.
ferlas2006-06-20 23:03:38
QUOTE(geb @ Jun 20 2006, 11:25 PM) 300442

People with transfix are the same people that can punish you for having mindseye on or not having it on. The best way to show people around here is to demonstrate what you mean. If Sixthsense remains the way it is now, I will demonstrate exactly what I mean by acquiring a perfect gem.



As I said the problem as you said seems to not be with the new six sense but more with the transfix gem, nerf the transfix gem then. I don't see to much of a problem with it against a warrior to be honest though its a nice tricky but nothing to scary.
Unknown2006-06-20 23:06:05
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 20 2006, 04:03 PM) 300458

As I said the problem as you said seems to not be with the new six sense but more with the transfix gem, nerf the transfix gem then. I don't see to much of a problem with it against a warrior to be honest though its a nice tricky but nothing to scary.


Nerfing Transfix Gem wouldn't stop normal Paladins.
Unknown2006-06-20 23:06:36
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 20 2006, 01:03 PM) 300458

As I said the problem as you said seems to not be with the new six sense but more with the transfix gem, nerf the transfix gem then. I don't see to much of a problem with it against a warrior to be honest though its a nice tricky but nothing to scary.


Then there would be no point to ever eat faeleaf to get the sixth sense defense. That way you could just not use it, and simply eat one herb, myrtle, to cure blindness if a warrior ever gave it to you. So essentially you are saying the same thing as I am, only saying nerfing the transfix gem as well.

Or we could just do what I said... and make faeleaf always put up sixthsense/blindness/deafness regardless of your current state. It'd accomplish the same thing, without having to replace the transcendent jewelry ability.
Sylphas2006-06-20 23:07:00
I would easily put not having sixthsense as an affliction if it worked like that. I'm blind and deaf. I can take two balances to cure them, or use one to put up sixthsense and "cure" them both. There would be no reason not to always be blind and deaf with sixthsense up, not that I can see. What benefits would not having any of them confer to you?
Unknown2006-06-20 23:08:23
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jun 20 2006, 01:07 PM) 300461

I would easily put not having sixthsense as an affliction if it worked like that. I'm blind and deaf. I can take two balances to cure them, or use one to put up sixthsense and "cure" them both. There would be no reason not to always be blind and deaf with sixthsense up, not that I can see. What benefits would not having any of them confer to you?


Blindness is an affliction. Unlike the other realms, you can't even attack while blind.

Deafness is not. Deafness works exactly like the other realms, and defends against several attacks. Deafness here is a defense, not an affliction.

And fine, let's make Sixthsense "defend" against blindness/deafness/transfix/sensitivity. Faeleaf will not give you blindness/deafness when eaten, but when any of those abilities hit you with sixth sense up, it strips sixth sense before it can give you one of those afflictions. There, problem solved, even though now it is easier.
ferlas2006-06-20 23:08:33
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 21 2006, 12:06 AM) 300460

Or we could just do what I said... and make faeleaf always put up sixthsense/blindness/deafness regardless of your current state. It'd accomplish the same thing, without having to replace the transcendent jewelry ability.


That to me would just put the situation back to where it was before the change really, you would be able to redef against certain attacks that stripped it long before the user recovered balance making the attacks fairly useless again.
Unknown2006-06-20 23:12:33
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 20 2006, 01:08 PM) 300463

That to me would just put the situation back to where it was before the change really, you would be able to redef against certain attacks that stripped it long before the user recovered balance making the attacks fairly useless again.


And so is what you are saying. If you were to remove transfix, then you could just not use faeleaf, and cure blindness with one herb every time. Useless by your logic, right?


You can cure any affliction before they recover balance. That's the point. You want warriors to have the only exception to this rule? They can already outpace wounds curing. When you have two combatants of equal talent and skill, the only reason one of them should die is because he messed up. He made a mistake in his curing or his offense. Top tier fighters generally reach a stalemate, that continues until one of them makes a mistake or series of mistakes, and then it ends relatively quickly from there.


In all honesty, the system was fine before. Myrtle consumed herb balance, but did not require you had it. So you'd use up herb balance (or just eat it if you were already off herb balance), and you'd still have to wait to recover it before eating faeleaf again.

I think the only solution is for me to drop alchemy, and pick up jewelry and hexes again, and then run around with sensitivity hexes with mugwump speed and transfix. Yea, it'd be ridiculous as well as lame.
Xenthos2006-06-20 23:31:45
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 20 2006, 07:08 PM) 300462

Deafness is not. Deafness works exactly like the other realms, and defends against several attacks. Deafness here is a defense, not an affliction.

If you're deaf, you can't hear people on guild/city aethers, and can't hear tells / aren't informed when you receive a message.

Which is kind of an affliction as well...
Unknown2006-06-20 23:58:45
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 20 2006, 01:31 PM) 300466

If you're deaf, you can't hear people on guild/city aethers, and can't hear tells / aren't informed when you receive a message.

Which is kind of an affliction as well...


There are no attacks that give deafness. Maybe a poison? Why the hell would you use it though. It essentially works the same way. It functions as a defense.
Sylphas2006-06-20 23:59:48
You're harder to argue with when I can't pretend you're a toad. sad.gif

And yeah, deafness sucks.
Unknown2006-06-21 00:20:27
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You will obey the hypnotoad.
Xenthos2006-06-21 00:23:22
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 20 2006, 07:58 PM) 300474

There are no attacks that give deafness. Maybe a poison? Why the hell would you use it though. It essentially works the same way. It functions as a defense.

A few NPCs give deafness. It's really annoying. sad.gif
Ildaudid2006-06-21 00:24:49
Whatever the hypnotoad says must be true... I hear and obey the hypnotoad. hypnotised.gif
Murphy2006-06-21 00:54:05
QUOTE(Fallen @ Jun 21 2006, 08:48 AM) 300450

Because Murphy is such a model of subtelty, patience, and political prowess tongue.gif


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learn how and when to use each when called upon to do so. A fixed
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Sorry mate, you lose again.
Unknown2006-06-21 01:03:26
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Unknown2006-06-21 01:04:42
QUOTE(Estarra @ Jun 20 2006, 09:14 PM) 300405

Intensive purposes! tongue.gif

Sixth sense is the defense you want, though blind/deaf is a side effect.

Blindness/deafness are ailments that you shouldn't want.

Hmm... What if sixth sense acted as though you were blind/deaf for skills but didn't actually give you the side effect... just a thought, haven't thought it through too much.

There is already a bug that removing both deafness and blindness at the same time doesn't remove sixth sense (and hence you can't put either back up). It is apparently the blindness and deafness that stops skills such as transfix and dominate, not the defence.

I haven't really tested it, but I find transfix gem seems to require writhing time which is independent of size. I'm by no means a good fighter, but without blindness Diamante for instance owns me with a perfect gem.

If you changed it so that sixth sense, the defence alone, blocked these skills, how would someone target that defence and remove it?
Unknown2006-06-21 01:06:29
Someone got Luciphage confuzzeled with Baalphegar! tongue.gif
Unknown2006-06-21 01:12:09
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 21 2006, 12:20 AM) 300488

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You will obey the hypnotoad.


It's so.... beautiful. mellow.gif /writhes free of transfixation.


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