Illusions

by Xenthos

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Terenas2006-04-20 05:55:14
I'm sorry, since when does it matter what a single player's interpretation infallible? People have bitched and complained about similar illusions on Achaea and guess what, nothing has been done. Sarapis himself have stated that if your system screws up it is because of your coding.

Illusioning prompts seem to me a perfect way to create a pretense that you're actually more injured than you really are. I don't see how you can distinguish between that and wounds.

Verithrax2006-04-20 07:30:18
Sarapis != Estarra.
Terenas2006-04-20 07:54:45
Such beautiful logic, I'm not sure how I'll even be able to counter that so I'll just stop, seeing as you've made up your mind anyway.
Narsrim2006-04-20 08:05:15
QUOTE(terenas @ Apr 20 2006, 03:54 AM) 280939

Such beautiful logic, I'm not sure how I'll even be able to counter that so I'll just stop, seeing as you've made up your mind anyway.


To clarify, I still think prompts are OOC (which was the question). I don't think that means you shouldn't be able to illusions them - simply that such is one of those situations where we say its ok. If someone strives to be totally IC, I would gather casting illusions of prompts wouldn't be their style - nothing more.
Verithrax2006-04-20 08:08:32
QUOTE(terenas @ Apr 20 2006, 04:54 AM) 280939

Such beautiful logic, I'm not sure how I'll even be able to counter that so I'll just stop, seeing as you've made up your mind anyway.

Conciseness FTW. doh.gif

Apparently, two proper nowns and an inequality operator are worth more than DEBATE FORUM WITH PETTIFOGGERY.

And, if you can't tell, I was implying that what is okay in Achaea is not necessarily okay here. So even if illusioning prompts is adequate, the argument that it is because you can do it in Achaea is flawed.
Narsrim2006-04-20 08:11:43
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Apr 20 2006, 04:08 AM) 280942

And, if you can't tell, I was implying that what is okay in Achaea is not necessarily okay here.


It is, however, a good generalized method. Giving how far more is similar than different, I don't see why you seem to argue this point as much as you do. While yes, there are cases when it doesn't hold true, the policies for Lusternia are almost word-for-word the same as Achaea in terms of what is abusive, ooc, etc.
Verithrax2006-04-20 08:22:43
Lusternia has a history of enforcing IC behaviour more than Achaea. I'm just saying that saying 'Sarapis says so' isn't a convincing argument; I'm generally willing to believe Lusternia is stricter on the matter. I don't like seeing us compared with Achaea or Aetolia because we're a radically different game, even if a lot of user interface stays the same.

However, as long as you don't talk about it IC (And I personally think it lacks style), illusioning prompts can be interpreted as using illusions to make your enemies' wounds seem less or more serious; the fact you're illusioning a prompt is simply the player reproducing the game behaviour, which is something inerent to any combat illusion.

However, reproducing things like 'you have been slain' and other system messages are definitely bad form, particularly things that have no relation to the IC world. And illusioning anything even remotely related to credits is a no-no.
ferlas2006-04-20 10:13:15
I can see how promts are ooc, I dont see a problem with other number illusions though like bleed 34 health or something. And I dont think you are slain is an ooc message either. The illusions trying to make you think your dead so that you just quit fighting.
Unknown2006-04-22 00:10:44
prompts are just how the game tells you how much health you hav etc. soooooo if you illusion a prompt line to say they have 100h then you're giving them the illusion that they are in fact more messed up than they actually are. calling illusioning prompt lines ooc would just be the same as calling illusioning an affliction line OOC. no voice in your head tells you you have paralysis for example. though talking about a prompt line would be totally OOC illusioning would be totally fine unless we weren't allowed to illusion affliction lines, in which case the illusion skill would be totally worthless...
Xenthos2006-04-22 00:40:36
QUOTE(terenas @ Apr 20 2006, 01:26 AM) 280910

Sorry, but if you trigger something based on your prompt and gets screwed over by it then it's your own fault. As well as being killed or thrown out of the arena. If your system is exploitable then fix it, don't complain about illusions screwing you over. When I was a Mage on Achaea I used a 10-line illusion that utterly destroyed most people. I felt it was really cheap so I reduced it to about 5 lines but I was still issued by another combatant. Needless to say the issue was dropped because it was so ridiculous.

I don't think most of the people here are complaining, or are even at all hostile, Terenas. This hasn't even been used on me (well, until Shamarah's illusioning stuff during the peaceful influence in Dairuchi today, which is considerably after this thread was created), but I wanted to post a concern I had. It seems that others have different opinions, as expected, and they're being discussed. *shrugs*
Acrune2006-04-22 02:26:46
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Apr 20 2006, 01:49 AM) 280914

Prompts are definitely OOC. Narsrim explained it. As for the affliction that illusions prompts, it doesn't work by 'illusioning prompts'. It works by making the victim think he is in better health than he really is.


How is that any different then illusioning a prompt? If I were to weave the illusion of you having 10 health, it would be you thinking that you were really close to death, and it just happened to be expressed in the form of a prompt. By your logic, you couldn't illusion affliction lines either, because you would be getting an OOC affliction line for something that isn't really happening IC.
Murphy2006-04-22 08:26:01
i'm sorry but as far as i'm concerned, i totally and utterly 100% agree with terenas.

If your system is suseptable, do something to fix it, like set an arena mode and have it to only trigger resetting variables if you were in the arena to begin with.

If you're a good illusionist fighting a good system, you will only do illusions of skills that you can actually do in order to mess them up.
Shamarah2006-04-22 11:09:35
Or you illusion other people doing those skills. I have an alias to illusion Amaru flinging aeon.
Daganev2006-04-22 19:31:27
I think the only basic illusion that is ooc would be something that spams the screen with 30 lines of random text.