Daganev2006-04-28 17:19:46
http://www.savedarfur.org/
I didn't realize this is still going on...
I only knew about it because a few days ago was the Holocaust rememberance day.
Visit the link and do what you can.
I didn't realize this is still going on...
I only knew about it because a few days ago was the Holocaust rememberance day.
Visit the link and do what you can.
Daganev2006-04-28 18:16:43
Oh, and for the record... I HATE George Clooney... He ruined a perfectly good idea for a movie (so long and goodnight) by trying to claim the movie is inspiring and a call for political action...
Hasn't been able to make a good movie since ocean's because of his "poliitcs" however, darfur is a serious thing, and I wouldn't want to let that stuff continue just because the messenger is a putz.
Hasn't been able to make a good movie since ocean's because of his "poliitcs" however, darfur is a serious thing, and I wouldn't want to let that stuff continue just because the messenger is a putz.
Daganev2006-04-28 18:41:10
Incase you are not sure what is going on in darfur, (since the popular websites are very vague, I decided to look it up)
The Arab/Muslim government is targeting the deportatation, rape, and murder, and has a targeted famine against the African/Muslim population in the western area of the country. The government of Sudan has made it official policy to remove all Africans from the Darfur region and place them into camps, forceing starvation upon them.
This is different, from the Arab/Muslim vs Arab-African/Christain violence between the North and the South which had a peace treaty. (hence why some people think the darfur situation is over, even though they are not connected.. they just happen to be in the same country)
The Arab/Muslim government is targeting the deportatation, rape, and murder, and has a targeted famine against the African/Muslim population in the western area of the country. The government of Sudan has made it official policy to remove all Africans from the Darfur region and place them into camps, forceing starvation upon them.
This is different, from the Arab/Muslim vs Arab-African/Christain violence between the North and the South which had a peace treaty. (hence why some people think the darfur situation is over, even though they are not connected.. they just happen to be in the same country)
Hazar2006-04-28 21:43:23
The confusing part, of course, is that most of the rape, murder, and burning is at the hands of semi-sponsored Arab militias. The government retains a certain degree of deniability, and some of them are honestly trying for change and peace. But this is a government in Africa - thier politicians are even worse than America's or Eastern Europe's. It's hard for aid agencies to get anything done with the government, and if they work without the government, they get harassed.
So...give money! Help! Don't forget Africa!
So...give money! Help! Don't forget Africa!
Rakor2006-04-28 21:51:24
If you think the Darfur situation is over you're an idiot. Really.
From what I can see it only seems to be getting worse.
From what I can see it only seems to be getting worse.
Vix2006-04-28 22:02:11
Why have I never heard of Darfur?
Hazar2006-04-28 22:02:51
Probably because you live in the South.
Rakor2006-04-28 22:21:07
In case for some bizarre reason you haven't heard about what's happening in Darfur, here's the history and current situation quoted directly from savedarfur.org - both of which seem to be relatively accurate. The number of people who have died so far is still a little shaky. I've heard 180,000 and 200,000 and 400,000.
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QUOTE(Conflict History)
Open warfare erupted in Darfur in early 2003 when the two loosely allied rebel groups, the Sudan Liberation Movement/Army (SLA) and the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM), attacked military installations. This was followed closely by peace agreements brokered by the United States to end the twenty-year-old civil war in the south of Sudan which allocated government positions and oil revenue to the rebels in the south. At that time rebels in Darfur, seeking an end to the region's chronic economic and political marginalization, also took up arms to protect their communities against a twenty-year campaign by government-backed militias recruited among groups of Arab extraction in Darfur and Chad. These "Janjaweed" militias have over the past year received government support to clear civilians from areas considered disloyal to the Sudanese government. Militia attacks and a scorched-earth government offensive has led to massive displacement, indiscriminate killings, looting and mass rape, all in infringement of the 1949 Geneva Convention that prohibits attacks on civilians.
The war, which risks inflicting irreparable damage on a delicate ethnic balance of seven million people who are uniformly Muslim, is actually multiple intertwined conflicts. One is between government-aligned forces and rebels; a second entails indiscriminate attacks of the government-sponsored Janjaweed militia on civilians; and a third involves a struggle among Darfur communities themselves. Its implications go far beyond Darfur's borders. The war indirectly threatens the regimes in both Sudan and Chad and has the potential to inspire insurgencies in other parts of the country.
The war, which risks inflicting irreparable damage on a delicate ethnic balance of seven million people who are uniformly Muslim, is actually multiple intertwined conflicts. One is between government-aligned forces and rebels; a second entails indiscriminate attacks of the government-sponsored Janjaweed militia on civilians; and a third involves a struggle among Darfur communities themselves. Its implications go far beyond Darfur's borders. The war indirectly threatens the regimes in both Sudan and Chad and has the potential to inspire insurgencies in other parts of the country.
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QUOTE(Current Situation)
Nearly three years into the crisis, the western Sudanese region of Darfur is acknowledged to be a humanitarian and human rights tragedy of the first order. The humanitarian, security and political situation continue to deteriorate: atrocities continue, people are still dying in large numbers of malnutrition and disease, and a new famine is feared. According to reports by the World Food Program, the United Nations and the Coalition for International Justice, 3.5 million people are now hungry, 2.5 million have been displaced due to violence, and 400,000 people have died in Darfur thus far. The international community is failing to protect civilians or to influence the Sudanese government to do so.
The international community is deeply divided -- perhaps paralyzed -- over what to do next in Darfur. The UN Commission of Inquiry on Darfur described the massive scope of atrocities carried out in the territory, primarily by the government and its allied Janjaweed militias. And the situation on the ground shows a number of negative trends, which have been developing since the last quarter of 2004: deteriorating security; a credible threat of famine; mounting civilian casualties; the ceasefire in shambles; increasing tensions between Sudan and Chad; and new armed movements appearing in Darfur and neighboring states. Chaos and a culture of impunity are taking root in the region.
The humanitarian situation remains catastrophic, due to ongoing state-sponsored violence, layers of aid obstruction, the lack of an overall humanitarian strategic plan, and the weakened state of displaced Sudanese. Refugees and internally displaced civilians (IDPs) have been displaced for long periods, they are in terribly weakened states, they are subject to sexual abuse and attack, they do not have adequate shelter, and a new famine is feared. Infectious diseases and dysentery will drive up the body counts rapidly. Conventional responses are simply inadequate to prevent increasing mortality rates, and the current response will fail unless buttressed by a number of bold and urgent actions.
Rape has become a hallmark of the crimes against humanity in Darfur. It has proven one way for the Janjaweed militias to continue attacking Darfurians after driving them from their homes. Families must continue collecting wood, fetching water or working their fields, and in doing so, women daily put themselves or their children at the risk of rape, beatings or death as soon as they are outside the camps, towns or villages. It is assumed that the hundreds of rapes reported and treated grossly underestimate the actual number committed, as victims of rape in Darfur are often too scared or too ashamed to seek help. In a culture where rape draws heavy social disgrace, victims are often ostracised by their own families and communities. These women and children have been forced from their communities and even punished for illegal pregnancy as a result of being raped.
As need far outstrips the ability of agencies to deliver aid, it is not too soon to sound a famine alert. Relief workers on the ground are convinced that few if any of the nearly 2 million IDPs will return to their homes in time for the next planting season, thus ensuring at least longer term food insecurity. The onset of the rainy season in late May will further restrict access.
Compounding the problem is that the numbers of at-risk civilians continue to increase. The Janjaweed continue to undertake attacks against villages, prey on IDPs, and obstruct aid activities. Many Janjaweed have been integrated into the army and police; no one has been charged with any crime, and their actions are not being challenged. There remains a state of total impunity.
Not since the Rwanda genocide of 1994 has the world seen such a calculated campaign of slaughter, rape, starvation and displacement. I The Sudanese government continues to flout international law with impunity.
North-South Conflict not-equal (1K) Conflict in Darfur
On January 9, 2005, a peace deal was signed to end the long war between the government and the Sudan People’s Liberation Army/Movement (SPLM). This war, which has raged for the past 20 years, is commonly referred to as the North-South conflict and is often confused with the violence in Darfur. This peace deal signed earlier this year did not address the issues in Darfur, where the genocide continues.
The international community is deeply divided -- perhaps paralyzed -- over what to do next in Darfur. The UN Commission of Inquiry on Darfur described the massive scope of atrocities carried out in the territory, primarily by the government and its allied Janjaweed militias. And the situation on the ground shows a number of negative trends, which have been developing since the last quarter of 2004: deteriorating security; a credible threat of famine; mounting civilian casualties; the ceasefire in shambles; increasing tensions between Sudan and Chad; and new armed movements appearing in Darfur and neighboring states. Chaos and a culture of impunity are taking root in the region.
The humanitarian situation remains catastrophic, due to ongoing state-sponsored violence, layers of aid obstruction, the lack of an overall humanitarian strategic plan, and the weakened state of displaced Sudanese. Refugees and internally displaced civilians (IDPs) have been displaced for long periods, they are in terribly weakened states, they are subject to sexual abuse and attack, they do not have adequate shelter, and a new famine is feared. Infectious diseases and dysentery will drive up the body counts rapidly. Conventional responses are simply inadequate to prevent increasing mortality rates, and the current response will fail unless buttressed by a number of bold and urgent actions.
Rape has become a hallmark of the crimes against humanity in Darfur. It has proven one way for the Janjaweed militias to continue attacking Darfurians after driving them from their homes. Families must continue collecting wood, fetching water or working their fields, and in doing so, women daily put themselves or their children at the risk of rape, beatings or death as soon as they are outside the camps, towns or villages. It is assumed that the hundreds of rapes reported and treated grossly underestimate the actual number committed, as victims of rape in Darfur are often too scared or too ashamed to seek help. In a culture where rape draws heavy social disgrace, victims are often ostracised by their own families and communities. These women and children have been forced from their communities and even punished for illegal pregnancy as a result of being raped.
As need far outstrips the ability of agencies to deliver aid, it is not too soon to sound a famine alert. Relief workers on the ground are convinced that few if any of the nearly 2 million IDPs will return to their homes in time for the next planting season, thus ensuring at least longer term food insecurity. The onset of the rainy season in late May will further restrict access.
Compounding the problem is that the numbers of at-risk civilians continue to increase. The Janjaweed continue to undertake attacks against villages, prey on IDPs, and obstruct aid activities. Many Janjaweed have been integrated into the army and police; no one has been charged with any crime, and their actions are not being challenged. There remains a state of total impunity.
Not since the Rwanda genocide of 1994 has the world seen such a calculated campaign of slaughter, rape, starvation and displacement. I The Sudanese government continues to flout international law with impunity.
North-South Conflict not-equal (1K) Conflict in Darfur
On January 9, 2005, a peace deal was signed to end the long war between the government and the Sudan People’s Liberation Army/Movement (SPLM). This war, which has raged for the past 20 years, is commonly referred to as the North-South conflict and is often confused with the violence in Darfur. This peace deal signed earlier this year did not address the issues in Darfur, where the genocide continues.
Daganev2006-04-28 23:04:15
QUOTE(Rakor @ Apr 28 2006, 02:51 PM) 283388
If you think the Darfur situation is over you're an idiot. Really.
From what I can see it only seems to be getting worse.
There were two things going on in Sudan, Darfur, and a North-south civil war. The Civil war was over in January, many people, including "the media" got these two events confused with eachother.
That is why I made this thread, so that there would be less confusion on the topic, and more awareness.
Darfur is a straight stereotypical genocide. Force people into camps, Tell them they have to do hard manual labor, kill/rape them for "leaving the camps" while they do the forced manual labor.
Women who leave the camp are raped... so you might ask, why not keep the women in the camp? Well if a man leaves the camp, he gets his genitals removed, and then murdered, so the community has to decide, risk rape and get water, or risk murder and don't get water.
Vix2006-04-28 23:17:30
QUOTE(Hazar @ Apr 28 2006, 05:02 PM) 283395
Probably because you live in the South.
Huh? We have something called the Een-Tur-Nait here. We get news from all over! Besides, the South's supposed to be ultra conservative Christian. If there's some genocide out there we'll be sending missionaries.
But really, why haven't I heard of this?
Daganev2006-04-28 23:26:36
There are many possible reasons you have not heard about this.
All of them are things that If I mentioned will get me being acussed of being racist again.
The only reason I heard about it is because a few days was Holocaust rememberence day, and today some congressmen got arrested for sitting outside the Sudan Embassy. This made me look up on the net, what exactly people were talking about, and after all the vague explanations I was finally able to piece together the information that doesn't seem to be clearly explained anywhere.
In other words... the situation is "complicated" and so doesn't get on the news.
All of them are things that If I mentioned will get me being acussed of being racist again.
The only reason I heard about it is because a few days was Holocaust rememberence day, and today some congressmen got arrested for sitting outside the Sudan Embassy. This made me look up on the net, what exactly people were talking about, and after all the vague explanations I was finally able to piece together the information that doesn't seem to be clearly explained anywhere.
In other words... the situation is "complicated" and so doesn't get on the news.
Daganev2006-04-29 01:00:54
I think a large reason why few people hear about Darfur, is the fact that many times in the recent past, people call "genocide" like we call "griefer" on these forums. There are so many cases of people calling genocide, when its in fact, not genocide that when a real case of treating human beings like vermin comes up, nobody can recognize it.
Since at one point, there were rebels in the Darfur region fighting against the Sudan government, people assume its just a war that some people want to call a genocide, like they called Iraq a genocide. They therefore don't spend the time to read the African Union reports on the situation, and the eye witness accounts to see that its a -really- bad situation going on in there.
There is, OH NOES! My house just got blown up.. where the person is still around to talk about the house being blown up... and then there is ... "Hmm, should I die of Hunger, die to wild animals, or get tortured and killed today... if I'm lucky, a lion will come and tear my head off before I realize it."
Since at one point, there were rebels in the Darfur region fighting against the Sudan government, people assume its just a war that some people want to call a genocide, like they called Iraq a genocide. They therefore don't spend the time to read the African Union reports on the situation, and the eye witness accounts to see that its a -really- bad situation going on in there.
There is, OH NOES! My house just got blown up.. where the person is still around to talk about the house being blown up... and then there is ... "Hmm, should I die of Hunger, die to wild animals, or get tortured and killed today... if I'm lucky, a lion will come and tear my head off before I realize it."
Daganev2006-04-30 17:58:49
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4957242.stm
Amazing... lets hope this works out.
The Khartoum government announced its acceptance of the peace plan in a statement issued on Sunday.
"The government... wishes to confirm its decision to formally accept this document and its readiness to sign it," it said.
"The government wishes to confirm its full commitment to implement the agreement in good faith. The delegation is also fully convinced that any difficulties that might come up in the implementation stages can be resolved by consensus between all the parties."
Top African Union (AU) mediator Salim Ahmed Salim said the deal could not be changed.
"We have done everything that is possible to make an agreement possible," he said.
"We told the parties that as far the mediation is concerned this is the best we can do in the circumstances."
The peace deal, hammered out over many months, aims to end what Darfur rebels say is long-standing neglect of the province by the Khartoum government.
The 85-page draft calls for a one-off transfer of $300m to Darfur, with $200m a year for the region thereafter.
It also contains proposals for power-sharing, disarming Arab Janjaweed militias and integrating rebels into the armed forces.
Amazing... lets hope this works out.
QUOTE
The Khartoum government announced its acceptance of the peace plan in a statement issued on Sunday.
"The government... wishes to confirm its decision to formally accept this document and its readiness to sign it," it said.
"The government wishes to confirm its full commitment to implement the agreement in good faith. The delegation is also fully convinced that any difficulties that might come up in the implementation stages can be resolved by consensus between all the parties."
Top African Union (AU) mediator Salim Ahmed Salim said the deal could not be changed.
"We have done everything that is possible to make an agreement possible," he said.
"We told the parties that as far the mediation is concerned this is the best we can do in the circumstances."
The peace deal, hammered out over many months, aims to end what Darfur rebels say is long-standing neglect of the province by the Khartoum government.
The 85-page draft calls for a one-off transfer of $300m to Darfur, with $200m a year for the region thereafter.
It also contains proposals for power-sharing, disarming Arab Janjaweed militias and integrating rebels into the armed forces.
Mirk2006-04-30 18:31:41
I think (not sure, I may be confusing it for another country) that US involvement started a during/around the election, and Bush tried to keep it quiet (once again, not sure, I may be confusing Darfur for someplace else...)
Daganev2006-04-30 18:36:25
America has been funding 89% of all aid to darfur. And has been since the AU asked them for asssistance since the UN was not willing to.
Verithrax2006-05-05 21:30:39
Hm, this save Darfur 'viral' advertising thing has been rolling around nicely. It's at 9 on the Google Zeitgeist right now.
Daganev2007-05-08 15:41:56
I'm being asked to have people sign this letter and send it in.
Have you heard of divestment? It's one of the key tactics that was successfully used to end apartheid in South Africa and it can help end the violence in Darfur, too.
To "divest" means to withdraw investments from companies who are supporting the genocide in Darfur by doing business with the government of Sudan.
Join me in fighting the genocide by urging Fidelity and other investment institutions to divest their holdings from any and all companies doing business with the government of Sudan.
Click the link below to sign the Divest for Darfur petition now and help cut off financial support for the government-sponsored violence in Darfur!
http://ga6.org/campaign/fidelitydivestment
Diplomacy is crucial, but economic pressure may prove an even more powerful way to force Sudan to cooperate with international efforts to end the genocide.
Sudan has been very responsive to economic pressure in the past so we have reason to hope that they will pay heed to the divestment efforts.
Please do not stand by while the violence continues - you can make a difference.
Click below to add your name to the Divest for Darfur petition to Fidelity now.
http://ga6.org/campaign/fidelitydivestment
Then please forward this message to your friends and family and ask them to join you in supporting divestment.
If you'd like to make a donation to support the campaign, visit the link below now.
http://www.SaveDarfur.org/Donate
Thank you for your help.
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The Save Darfur Coalition is an alliance of over 180 faith-based, advocacy and humanitarian organizations whose mission is to raise public awareness about the ongoing genocide in Darfur and to mobilize a unified response to the atrocities that threaten the lives of more than two million people in the Darfur region. To learn more, please visit http://www.SaveDarfur.org
Have you heard of divestment? It's one of the key tactics that was successfully used to end apartheid in South Africa and it can help end the violence in Darfur, too.
To "divest" means to withdraw investments from companies who are supporting the genocide in Darfur by doing business with the government of Sudan.
Join me in fighting the genocide by urging Fidelity and other investment institutions to divest their holdings from any and all companies doing business with the government of Sudan.
Click the link below to sign the Divest for Darfur petition now and help cut off financial support for the government-sponsored violence in Darfur!
http://ga6.org/campaign/fidelitydivestment
Diplomacy is crucial, but economic pressure may prove an even more powerful way to force Sudan to cooperate with international efforts to end the genocide.
Sudan has been very responsive to economic pressure in the past so we have reason to hope that they will pay heed to the divestment efforts.
Please do not stand by while the violence continues - you can make a difference.
Click below to add your name to the Divest for Darfur petition to Fidelity now.
http://ga6.org/campaign/fidelitydivestment
Then please forward this message to your friends and family and ask them to join you in supporting divestment.
If you'd like to make a donation to support the campaign, visit the link below now.
http://www.SaveDarfur.org/Donate
Thank you for your help.
--------------------------------------------
The Save Darfur Coalition is an alliance of over 180 faith-based, advocacy and humanitarian organizations whose mission is to raise public awareness about the ongoing genocide in Darfur and to mobilize a unified response to the atrocities that threaten the lives of more than two million people in the Darfur region. To learn more, please visit http://www.SaveDarfur.org
Verithrax2007-05-08 16:53:12
Because public outcry and pressure has always succeeded in influencing investment bankers' decisions.
Unless you actually own stock in the companies involved, or unless you have a direct economic link to them (IE, they make consumer goods and you buy them - which is unlikely) there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Unlike, say, no longer driving a massive gas-guzzling car or giving up on diamond jewelry.
Unless you actually own stock in the companies involved, or unless you have a direct economic link to them (IE, they make consumer goods and you buy them - which is unlikely) there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Unlike, say, no longer driving a massive gas-guzzling car or giving up on diamond jewelry.
Daganev2007-05-08 17:40:23
QUOTE(Verithrax @ May 8 2007, 09:53 AM) 405553
Because public outcry and pressure has always succeeded in influencing investment bankers' decisions.
Unless you actually own stock in the companies involved, or unless you have a direct economic link to them (IE, they make consumer goods and you buy them - which is unlikely) there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Unlike, say, no longer driving a massive gas-guzzling car or giving up on diamond jewelry.
Unless you actually own stock in the companies involved, or unless you have a direct economic link to them (IE, they make consumer goods and you buy them - which is unlikely) there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Unlike, say, no longer driving a massive gas-guzzling car or giving up on diamond jewelry.
http://www.sudandivestment.org/home.asp
I know you hate me, and you like to disagree with anything I do no matter what I do, but for once in your life, stop being such an arrogant prick.
Verithrax2007-05-08 17:44:31
Show me a privately owned organisation not involved directly in the consumer goods market that has divested from Sudan.