I'd have to agree with Dag. Zakari was trying to put out propaganda. He had it broadcasted and sent out to build up fear in his force.

This is simply the bits you didn't see. It speaks for itself, which, in my mind, isn't propaganda. The version on CNN is different. But the video itself isn't your typical propaganda. It may be having the same effect as propaganda, but it isn't in anyway "constructed", which is what I think the defining point of real propaganda is.

Because I genuinely don't know this and am curious... what propaganda has he been putting out?

America is the zionist regime, America wishes to destroy all muslims, The Shiite government hates Suunis, America is about to run and is losing, the normal stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahri

All you've ever wanted to know about the man, plus sum, and information on finding the videos and audiotapes he has released.

Yeah, saying the government hates a certain sect is certainly propaganda. The other things... well, I suppose it depends on what evidence is given for it, though its hard to believe that there wouldn't be an anti-west slant put on the information.

From dictionary.com:


The american occupation forces 'released' this video, obviously to try and show that their opponents are 'buffoons', as you said. There is no journalism here, no real factual information conveyed.

Excuse me, but in NO shape or form is America a Zionist regime... Might as well call America an Islamo Fascist regime.


How is a video , made by Zawahiri NOT factual information? *boggle*

Where else do you see the American "propaganda machine" stateing that Terrorists don't know how to use weapons?

Blah...I shouldn't be responding to such ignorance...

The american goverment and zakari are putting out propaganda. Zakari to show how great he is and american showing how weak he is.

It is constructed really the americans are focusing on the poor parts of the video to make him look bad and he is focusing upon the good parts to make him look good. They are doing pretty the the same thing really.

An unbiased report would comment upon both his ineptness with one type of gun and his skill with a different type of gun. Neither report does this. One focus on how he "Cant Shoot" The other focuses on his skill with a different gun. Both are propaganda

And anyway it isn't as if this type of propaganda is new or anything every government in the world does things like this to portray their president or ministers in a good light or to discredit their opponents.

The army version that you said was release was nothing but the full version uncut unedited with no voice over? I havn't found that one yet but the other two were definatly propaganda.

EDIT: Nevermind, actually, I'd better be nice.

Be more polite when people are asking honest questions.

Like I said. The CNN versions are different. But the original video, by itself, which was first shown to the press by the military, was just narrated by a General who was explaining what was going on in the video and how they acquired it.

But the video itself is not American Propaganda. The stories attached to it are. The video itself is something that should be shown to people, as its counter-propaganda. And don't say that "counter-propaganda is propaganda!" that's like saying the truth is a lie becuse it counters lies The video by itself is simple fact that dispells the illusions and smokescreens being used to try and recruit people to become terrorists. Its something that needs to be shown.

Sorry, I just get very frustrated when I hear a conversation that goes like this...

Person A: The sky is Forest green
Person B: Erm no, its not... infact usually most people say its Blue.
Person A: Well they are both Colors, Why is your color more correct than my color? They are the same, lets agree to disagree.

How is that the conversation here? Please, elaborate.

I didn't think it would be necessary to eleborate on the difference between the constant barrage of statements calling the West a puppet of the Zionists, and the releasing of unedited video....

Edit: Ok, I'm tired, and misread that.

I didn't mean elaborate on why you think some propaganda is good. I meant explain your analogy about the sky.

Where exactly have I frustrated you?

Person A: That video is bad propaganda;

Person B: Um, thats not really propganda, propaganda is normally like this.

Person A: They are both propaganda, they are equivilant.




What part of his history or Bio leads you to believe he has skill with any weapon.

He was a pharmacologist, Poet, author, and spent most of his years studying behaviour, psychology, and pharmacology....

You are taking Zawhahiir's propaganda as truth, and the truth as propaganda...

Propaganda is not just constructed footage (in fact, I'd imagine that is pretty rare). It is material which is deliberately propagated by some group in order to slant perceptions in a desired manner.

Again, I didn't call it this, the article you quoted did.

Thats fine.. The article frustrates me just as much. What the hell is a propaganda war?

Does that mean I can lie about you all I want, and no matter what you say to disprove me, its just more propaganda?

I would think that internet readers have more intelgence than to just beleive every word and adjective in a news report.

Fair enough the actual full uncut original video made by the terrorists followers isn't propaganda it is actual footage, the story and the cut videos that the cnn and Zakari released are definate propaganda videos though.


Im just taking about the information that is apparently on the full uncut video daganev, apparently it shows him firing one gun perfectly well so I'd assume he knows how to fire a gun, As I said I havnt found the full uncut version anywhere so Im just going on the report about which says he was seen firing one gun fine and a few other guns poorly.

Who really cares? It was an outtake on a video that shows he can't handle a gun. Most people find that funny, given who he is and what he does. Who cares why they released it? I'd have done it just because I found it amusing.

Thank you!



That is not the case. If you watch his internet video, it shows him fireing the gun, however the unedited tape, shows his friend starting the gun for him, and shows his friend taking the gun from him, while burning himself.
Its like if a master chef bakes a cake, then they put you infront of the camera showing you taking the cake out of the oven, and then claiming that you are a master chef. Its really quite clear when you watch all the footage.

I wonder if we'll get some beheading bloopers next?

Maybe there'll be an executioner who is shown completely hacking up firewood, the poor sod completely unable to finish it with a clean slice. Hilarity will ensue, stay tuned!

They had one of those, when they beheaded a 3" plastic doll and claimed it was a U.S. soldier.