I dunno about that. I've had Druids that are transed in both Crow and Stag. Crow is definitely stronger in terms of PvP (and that's what we're talking about) And I know Ashteru has been trans in both as well, so i'm not tying to hold that as anything special. I'm just saying that from what i've seen, Crow is better for combat.

As for your question, if you look at the Trill picture on the website, that's a Guardian. Since those crystals floating over its head were put there on purpose, and we know that Celestines don't get anything like that, we can assume that its a Hallifax Guardian. In which case, it seems like they'll have little crystals that they can imbue with passive afflictions rather than a summoned angel/demon.

Also, in the Histories, it mentions that they consult the Supernals and the Emanations. It doesn't mention anything for the Vortex or for the Continuum, so, i'd also guess they don't have traditional half-formed.

As for the arguments about them both fighting because they thought the other was tainted... that's true, but they were fighting the Taint itself. At that point, even someone like Shikari would have been against it. But logic denotes that because Kethuru isn't in it any more, its pretty much harmless. It cannot change anything any more. I'd assume that the Hallifaxians would come to a similar conclusion. I just can't see them going "EEEWWW Tainted! Keeeel It! It might.. dirty our clothing.. or something!!!"

Obviously the taint is not evil in and of itself. Shikari. Auseklis. Elcyrion. Lacostian. Raezon. Fain. That's the list of the Gods who see no problem with it. Included is every God who dabbles in knowledge. Hallifax is definitely going to have that sort of God. In fact, it'll probably get Lacostian and Elcyrion, being brothers of Xyl. Meaning, they won't have even an issue with Taint.

They won't come back at the same time. It's just not going to happen. I'm sure it's insane enough for the Divine to release just ONE city at a time. TWO would be ridiculous.

love the finality in that post.

Though it may lead to confusion and there would have to be a full explanation on how they managed to sever the apparent link

Hate to continue the hijack, but I disagree with that assessment. For one-on-one PvP (yes, it's rare, but still), stag holds the upper hand for druids. Stag contributes quite a bit to a saplock that you just don't have matched in Crow. Crow, however, has more use in territory defense and raiding with its superior movement skills.

More like once a month...but some of you get mad at new participants when they "necro" threads instead of creating new ones, so you should be a little consistant about this policy.

Be gentle with the newer players, please.

No, I covered all my bases, I mentioned necroing as well.

I disagree. If we're talking Saplock, and you're bringing in Druidry, I'd still put my money on Crow. Blacklung for one (from two possible sources). You can also have them losing both equilibrium and balance at the same time. That seems like it would be a pretty nice contribution to a saplock.

well, actually stagstomp is better for a saplock. It pushes you off equi, and if you are prone (which web achieves, and web is in every good saplock) you get broken legs. Ouchy.
Not to mention that, once they cudgeled you once when you are sapped (or not cudgeling at all, the demesne can rack up some bleeding too) they could start bellowwhoring, making it unpossible for anyone to cure out of it.

And with Disease and Murder and Spiders, you get a similar result.

They will be constantly off of equilibrium due to chills and afflictions. Off of balance a decent portion of the time. Unable to focus out of paralysis because of the impatience which they can't cure because of blacklung. And most of it can be left to passive effects, with just the occasional extra disease.

Although, we can't give impatience. And spiders and murder only have a chance of hitting with the right afflictions, so does disease. I'd much rather rely on a 1 p active attack than on my demesne, honestly. But saplock is waaaay to easy on both sides.

another one of these threads kill it!

inspired by Acrune

Well, I was always able to give Impatience. :shrug: But I've always been a Runist. So its a force of habit to think of it as part of my Druidic arsenal. But I was a druid for a long time when all there was was runes, so I got attached

As much as I appreciate your defense...I've been at this longer than you, damnit.

All the other topics have been 'We should have Gaudi & Halli', or 'When are Gaudi & Halli coming?' or similiarly general subjects. I had a very specific topic - discussing the political impact of the Lost Cities. Not whether or not they should come back, when they are, if trill are going to have l33t upgrades, or what the name of the warrior guild in Gaudiguch should be.

However, this has turned into a discussion on A) the relative virtues of Crow and Stag, and How lame or unlame or neutrally normal these topics are.

Yeah, okay. hmmm, but I guess ecology is more effective to keep them in sap and dreamweaving it's easier to get them into sap. Runists are pretty subpar right now. :/

AND: Hazar is not allowed to post until he comes on at the same time as Kyleel and FINALLY gets considered. *grumble*

The picture with the trill has runes floating around his head.

Not from the Runes skillset he doesn't. There is no skill in runes that makes runes float around your head.

Why are we speculating skills on a drawing? For all we know, those could do anything from cause afflictions, do damage, heal, or destroy Lusternia. Ok, well, maybe not that last one, but you get the point...

even I, a Gaudiguch fanatic, tire of these endless threads, cut it out you.

I don't mean the skills.. the skills are ok. I mean that with the people on the moondancers you can almost fill Ackleberry.

Moondancers has lots of people. If you get the strenght of both the communes in a same level as in both have Nasrims and Murphys and have a decent player base then it could be like an interesting thing to have a war of free for all

Fighting a runist druid is like fighting a hexer. If you have focus mind, it's not so bad. If you don't: sap, paralysis, impatience, asthma is a pretty nasty lock, especially since it can all be given simultaneously and pipes are pretty annoying to deal with under paralysis (or sap, for that matter). Cap off with a hallucinations/stupidity doublesling and things get bad.

Of course, all this is just summarily negated by focus mind. Bleh.