It has the same effect either way arissa.

I see you have absolutely no idea that blaiming people ooc for something others created can be very painfull, so there is no point in trying to make you see it.

I voted stay in celest and convert more fae. Because it's what I always wanted to do, but didn't know how.

Okay, I voted for Glom but....honestly.

If you go to Mag, you can do what you always wanted to do, screw over Seren, have much power and keep your skills and all. If you go Glom, you'll have less fighting, less power and so on and so on...well, the patriot in me says, Go Glom, but well.....the logical, brainy decision would be Mag, yeah.

I posted it like two weeks ago. The most recent post is just an extension of it.

Im sorry you feel that way Im not trying to blame anyone really Im just giving more input and information so that shammy can make the best decision if he stays and continues working against the appeasement policys in place then he will get screwed over again and again by the celest goverment(example their exceptionaly long ban) and by lady tets order(The long disfavour) If he keeps his fanitical fight for the light roleplay he will be constantly screwed over and he wont have fun as shammy wont be very playable having no power and no trans skills.

His options are change his roleplay to suite the appeasement or change who leads him by removing the leader of celest or by leaving celest.

I'm not sure you're really actually offering any input since you believe Shamarah's troubles stem from one thing - your obsession with the idea of Celest's appeasement policies - when they in fact stem from his behavior which you are not really witness to and so cannot actually judge whether Celest is being too harsh on him. You have no clue what actually happened or has been happening for the past couple of RL months beyond what you hear. Which you naturally immediately twist to fit into your prejudiced view of Celest. Your posts seem more an attack on Celest then providing any useful input to Shamarah.

In fact, anytme the topic of Celest comes up you find some reason to jump in and provide suggestions about what they should or shouldn't be doing or point out all these things about them that are in your opinion bad. You seem fixated on the idea honestly. If people wanted to criticize your organization as zealously as you criticize everyone elses then I am sure they could draw false conclusions about the reasons for the things your government does and point out how Glomdoring bends over backwards to appease Serenwilde or Magnagora or . Fortunately for you, people have better things to do then stand on a soapbox preaching to you about what you should or should not be doing or how much you suck because of x,y, and z. Maybe you should worry about your own RP and stop trying to be so "helpful" to everyone else.

for a guy who was used to drawing 200 power a day easily with a teritary skillset that required almost no power usage who switched to a 3rd set that requires a ton of power........

glomdoring's power rules are not bad at all, and I have no trouble keeping up with the power I need. One run through water is 36 essence, which is 108 power currently, being I can draw half that it's 25% reserves for a few minutes of work. Hardly troublesome.

Glomdoring has the most consistent solid roleplay I have seen in any of the 3 nations I have been in. They are firm, but also basically treat you real well if you don't act like an idiot.

And the policy has never been "don't raid" it is, "don't raid with magnagorans" because we try to keep to the angle that glomdoring and magnagora are neutral parties.

And yeah, there are hoops, but I think I've probably been through the worst, and iirc sham you were the dickhead I was when I was into fighting against glomdoring, so you'll probably get off a lot easier.

Just my two cents.

Burn!

I think I'm one of the people that knows best how to screw herself over and over again in melodramatic acts of trying to get people in Celest to change (like now I have to find a new divine order dang it, we need another light god that hates taint ) so I'll give a few comments on that.

I have had disfavours too when I left Celest while Hajamin was still patron, really they only do that once or twice and then it's totally not worth to repeat doing it. Also the exceptional long ban was something he knew beforehand, Armand has the same ban for killing a Celestian I believe. And Amaru has had it too, Amaru had me to channel him power though so he was lucky, unfortunatly for sham, I don't have access to power or I would of given him power aswell.

now off topic, who has noticed the change in Anisu's personality

It's not THAT hard to get power. It just annoys me.

Wish I could fly, then I'd just sit on Astral and link from the air until I got 100% reserves. Too bad you can't link from the trees.

Oh yeah, Glom doesn't have a rezzskill either.

Well, you wouldn't have one as a Geo too, so I guess that evens out.

The fae don't mind being taken to Celestia. In fact, it is perfectly coinciding with their will. The reason that they argue against leaving faethorn is that they are scared that you will corrupt them with the taint, or enslave them under mother nights rule.

In the end, the players decide what will happen.

Let's not all forget that the Supernals thought Project Cosmic Hope was a fantastic idea. So they already aren't batting 1000.

I'd actually like to see a Celestian who resents the Supernals for their part in bringing the Taint, rather than mindlessly swears allegience to them.

Technically, the Celestian's(or at least Paladin's) RP is that we brought the taint upon the world, we must fix the problem and get rid of it

The supernals didn't force Ladantine, they just encouraged him. and it wasn't the Supernals, it was the guys from Shallamar


Well, yeah, but the current situation force the Celestians to not go for fae. We could but then we'll turn into zealots who twists the things to reach their means, and I think we have enough of that with the other organizations(at least concerning fae)

What I want to know is how many Magnagoras turn Fae into imps? I seriously doubt the supernals would say anything against it, or at least Gorgulu, but then again, Gorgulu is just a freak of nature

Er.. wait

So Celest takes the blame for actions that took place when none of them were even alive.
But the Supernals are completely innocent even though they were there and did encourage it?

And Encouraging is enough. Celest then was as loyal to the Supernals as Celest now. The Supernals could have stopped it all. But instead they encouraged it. I'd say you could easily RP a loyal Celestian who hates the Supernals.

It was not the supernals.. didn't the High Somthing lords of Shalamar and the Fates told Ladantine that he would find what he's looking for?

And yes, Celest takes responsability for Ladantine's actions

Yes, but they also consulted the Supernals. They are Celest after all. And the Supernals are mentioned in the histories as being consulted.

I do find it interesting that all those interested in seeing Serenwilde and Celest slaughter each other on a daily basis are those from Glomagora, and those members of Celest and Serenwilde whom have either left or are largely inactive.

It seems to be an “I'm bored, let us make something exiting happen!" response. With little regard for those who would have to deal with the problem, and who would have to pick up all the pieces.


Oh, and Shamarah, if you aren’t happy in Celest and can't resolve the matter, then leave it, don’t try to pull it into one last conflict before you get bored again and skip out.

It isnt intended as an attack simply an observation of the current situation which as far as I can see is shammy changing his roleplay to suite the policys of appeasement, which shamy has said he dosn't want to do already. Or he has the option to leave celest or replace the celest goverment. As you say I wasnt in celest when he was punished but I have seen logs concerning why someone who killed shammy on the water plane was unenemied "Because he kind of had a reason to kill a celest cit on our home plane," and the log as to why he was powerbanned which seems exceptionally harsh. Its your choice really to play the goverment role as harsh as you like but as I said Im not complaining about your goverment but as he did ask for advice I'm just listing what I see as his options which is to replace you or leave.