I'm not so sure. It could either have all the restrictions of wielding a weapon and using it, or it could be timed and prevented by certain afflictions (pacification, sleep, movement, etc).

The 'I'm at 200 health now' is exactly what it is for. But being an active ability, and with whatever limitations are decided on, it isn't going to be a failsafe 'escape'.

Player A dies and liches, loses no experience.
Player A is then killed as a lich, loses experience and Vitaes.
Player A is then killed again to pray, loses more experience from praying.

If you have no experience with Lich and the ways that players have been made to pray and lose more experience, that is not my fault.

Well, now that you play it off as if you were right all along, you still are incorrect. The difference between liching then vitaeing and then praying is that you get one more chance to get away then if you don't have lich.. there is absolutely no drawback and there is NO way to lose more experience than if you didn't have lich. kthxbi
Now quit hijacking it, and quit being such a , you were wrong admit it.

There is a big difference between him being wrong, and you not understanding his earlier posts. Considering this whole thread has been about, and started with the misunderstanding by certain Glomdoring players, of the admin, of other players, of other player’s skills, and of their own envoy's I'm not surprised though.

The original points have been argued out every three pages or so, but resurface again. It's clear that this thread has changed no ones minds, and that it will not change anyone’s mind. This sort of thing happens when one side is wrong but refuses to admit it, for the time being everyone can rest assured that you, whomever you are, are right, the other people are wrong. You’d start arguing with me if I said anything else wouldn’t you? There, now that –every- has won the argument, we can drop this thread.

Glomdoring players reading this should take time over the next few weeks to communicate their wishes to their envoys for the follow-up summit, keeping Estarra's prior message in this thread in mind.

…and I can get some much-needed rest.

No wesmin he was wrong, its a plain fact. And as ive said about 10 times already wesmin....



We are and we have been.

Player A dies, then Liches, loses no experience.
Player A is an intelligent person and moves away to def up again before re-engaging.
Player A dies, then Liches, loses no experience.
Player A is intelligent and moves away, then teleports home, calls reinforcements, whatever.
Player A destroys the opposition.

I think that's the scenario you're looking for.

Barring eye sigils of course... but again, if you're intelligent, there's always a way to get out.

Meh.. by request of Ferlas: Rhoan, you were wrong, admit it.

One more damn edit: I don't care about the glom rezzes one way or another. I'm just tired, and entertaining myself. I simply found Rhoan's scenario to be slightly flawed with how it really happens

Find it slightly flawed all you want. The imperical proof is that it has happened numerous times, and was from one of Magnagora's top fighters who said that Lich has rarely ever saved them from praying.

No no rhoan you specifically said that it caused them to lose more if not double exp using lich, your wrong its a fact admit it and move on.

Meh, only in the most extreme cases, Rhoan. Extreme cases happen rarely. yes, it happened once or twice, but whatever. It CAN happen, but it doesn't mean that it does as many times as you are implying.

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Where did I say double? IF you want the last word at least keep your facts straight, you don't come off as bad then.

Yes I did say they lose more, and they do lose more, death from lich and vitaeing, and then being killed again to pray. Now granted this would happen whether they liched or not, the arguement made by Magnagorans at the time was that Lich has caused them to die more and therefore lose more.

Rhoan: What are you talking about? Lich doesn't make them lose any extra experience.

Anyway, I'd much rather use lich than not use it, and I really have no idea who you're referring to that said lich doesn't work very well. Lich is an AMAZING skill.

Do you want to admit your wrong now or do you want everyone on the forums to say you are before you do?

Wow, and just when I thought this thread couldn't get any worse.

Can we accept that Rhoan may have erred in one statement, or at least worded a valid statement poorly, and move on? I think its been clarified enough, we don't need to continually harass the poor fellow until he's beaten into submission for one mistake. Ferlas, for you especially it looks very precarious up on that pedestal.

I for one would like to hear more suggestions for alternatives to a resurrection skill and less debate over the minutae of what everyone else has.

If you actually -read- my post, I said it needed restrictions but I couldn't think of anything unique. Honestly, if you're going to post about someone's ideas actually read them first instead of spouting off nonsense.

EDIT: Maybe after your Fae takes your place its shadows surround your body preventing you from doing any offensive action for a set period of time but people can still attack you.

As I said, we need to quit hijacking this thread, I merely wanted to point out that Rhoan was wrong because he was being considerably condescending in his earlier remarks acting as if everyone was ignorant.
So.. Back on topic...
What do you guys think of my earlier idea?

A History of the misunderstandings of Rhoan’s origonal posting, and the eventual return to his origonal point:







-Terenas, misquoting Rhoan, this is where it got off track, because Rhoan was trying to prevent Ferlas from making a blanket statement, a fact that Terenas does not dispute, seeing that even in his mind, if it is rare, it still can happen.

Misunderstandings, this time by shyrke.

-Aiakon trying to remind everyone of the original points about why lich was brought up, as he knows, seeing as it started with him.

more misunderstandings by shyrke

-Rhoan, trying to remind everyone of the original point this was all brought up.

This statement is a rehashing of the original blanket statement by Ferlas.
My first attempt to point this out to everyone.
Ferlas failed to see my point.
Revan admitting to the stipulation that makes the blanket statement incorrect, and saying Rhoan was wrong to correct Ferlas about it all in one post.
Chugging along with the misunderstandings.
More admitting to the existence of the stipulation, but more misunderstandings as well.

Ferlas as the Conductor the train of misunderstanding, and it’s picking up passengers left and right.

Here is another passenger, walking down the isle into first class.

WESMIN QUOTE SUMMERY OF DOOM AHEAD, TRAIN DERAILED!

So, uh... you just put this in your summary, which is the part that was wrong and still IS wrong.

Person A has vitae.
They die, vitae hits, they lose exp.
They try to run, if they fail, die again and pray.

Person B has lich and vitae.
They die, lich hits, if there are no sigils they escape. (Lose 0 exp at this stage)
If they don't make it out, then they die and vitae hits.
They try to run, if they fail, die again and pray.

Person A and B lose the *same* experience, the licher does NOT lose more. Period. They just have an extra opportunity to escape, and that extra opportunity costs them no experience.

Edit:
Alternatively, we can do this without using vitae in the equation.

Person A has nothing.
If they die, they pray.

Person B has lich.
If they die, they have a shot at escaping. If they escape, they lose no exp.
If they don't escape, they die and pray.

In this case, yes, they DO die twice, but they do NOT lose more. They lose the *exact same amount*.

I really don't see how wesmin can make such an argument, he completely ignores the fact that Rhoan said you lose more EXP from dying with Lich which isn't true, so Wesmin, you misunderstood Rhoan and myself... I bolded it for you even, but you also ignored that. Please go reread the posts, and also stop derailing this thread, it's about Glomdoring's options to balance experience loss. Note: there is no possible way I am wrong, Wesmin, if you would please read what rhoan said initially and then carefully read the responses you might see, or maybe you won't, but the point is, stop it, the argument is over. (and yes I want the last word so be quiet, read the thread over again before making another incorrect post)

Please wesmin explain in great detail how this quote is in any way not wrong.



Bingo

EVERYONE. SHUT. UP. ABOUT. RHOAN.


Ahem, now that we've gotten that out of the way, can we get back to suggesting possible "rez" skills that aren't really "rez" skills?

I'll start I suppose.

Rotten Carrion
Power cost: maybe?
CROW FEED
Carrion is always good except when it goes bad. By feeding another some of your rotten carrion you will reduce the amount of experience he or she loses but at the cost of gaining less. If he or she is in the Greater Form of Crow when fed he or she will not suffer the experience penalty. He or she must possess the skill of Crow or Night to be fed.