Exactly!

This might possibly be because you guys started raiding for it *first* instead of trying to negotiate. We were willing to just give it to Celest, but they told us they didn't want it.

Wow ed

What a lot of you seem to be missing is how the rezz skill is helpful. Only in certain, restricted situations is the value of the skill the speed it lends to regrouping. The long-term, big-picture value is that it means you have to hunt less to make up for experience loss.

Quite. Most of us agree Glomdoring should get a res skill; it's that just the argument for it seems flawed. Maybe if you started a new thread and used a better argument we might actually get somewhere.

As for triggered resurgems (why are we talking about resurgems again?), I've been a resurgem leader for a long time as well. I only used a trigger the very first couple of years after I transed Moon and I stopped once accidentally we resurgemed enemies who susequently died. From what I know, we don't hold stand-by covens anymore either (stand-by covens were groups of people who would sit at Mother doing absolutely nothing but holding hands - kind of like Faethorn guarding). Just thought I'd clarify.

And why are we attacking resurgem and not the other ressurection skills as well?

If the argument is so flawed, then why are all the "counter-arguments" not even adressing the argument?

The counter arguments I have heard so far is ...

1. You can't rely on Rezz skills to always be there. (Always is not a factor here.. since we are talking about a planned agressive assault)

2. Rezz skills don't really help people who get jumped. (again thats defensive, not offensive)


Which argument is it exactly thats countering the idea that availability of rezz skills allows people to be more agressive, and increases thier willingness to claim territory that otherwise isn't really thiers?



Also, nobody is attacking resurgem.... *boggle*

None of us are dissing your skill or calling for it to be nerfed or in ANY way suggesting Serenwilde shouldn't have it.

We just want one of our own.

The last few pages speak otherwise. I don't know how we even got started on resurgem...


Hm, by main argument, I meant your very first post in which you said that Glomdoring can't take over the Basin because it didn't have a res skill. I find that rather false. It's much, much, much more than not having a res skill. But, you could definitely use one with restrictions like (and not exactly like) the other res skills of course.

Possible ideas if Glom were to get a res skill: Crow skill that takes carrion points (however that works) that rebirths the soul in an egg. While the soul is encased in the egg it can't do anything except maybe a little RP elemental stuff like rustling shrubs. The egg would then hatch after a few minutes and the person would be ressurrected. Maybe with a few more restrictions. Just one idea anyways.

Hmm, I'll have to go check, but I was thinking, "Glomdoring WON'T take over the basin without a rezz skill" not "Glomdoring CAN'T because it doesn't have one."

Two very different concepts. If there was a clone of each player (personality and ablity) in each community, Glomdoring with the skills it has now, will always be the least agressive.

And I'm not sure how saying how GREAT a skill is, is attacking it...

I kind of like that. Original.

EDIT: Vix's idea, that is.

Incase you have forgotten, that was my first post.. I don't say that Glomdoring can't take over the basin because of a lack of rezz skill anywhere... I do say that .... I also feel that Glomdoring's greater overarching RP can not be a possiblity without such a rezz skill....

All other things being Equal, without a Rezz skill, Glomdoring will not make a habbit of raiding.






*peer* apparently you missed me suggesting something extremely close to that to Xenthos like 10 years ago.

Hey, that idea was 100% original on my part!

I've been suggesting for ages, that Crow have an ability to store souls in eggs in its nest and use that for Rezz purposes. The details on it, have changed many many times but that basic idea has always been there, and I always get told.. it HAS to be a coven ability, stop talking about crow.

Ick. If you make it a Coven ability it's too much like resurgem. Ick. Show the birdy some loving!

I agree that Glomdoring should have a rezz skill, just to level the field a little. Either that, or they should get something that would reduce the need for it (i.e. People from glomdoring get a skill that reduces the amount of exp loss from death 75%). Either way, the playing field should be evened out somehow. I have died because I tried attacking something a little stronger than me, and being able to be resurgemed was a great convience, one which the glomdoring doesn't have. I'm not activly engaged in combat, but from my understanding of it, rezz skills DO help, especially resurgem.


That's because the problem everyone here is talking about is not about resurgem, they are talking about glomdoring not having a rezz skill. They are actually trying to keep this on topic because it has something they want to talk about. People don't always try to take something off-topic. And if you think about it, that really isn't a problem, is it?

and because text is different from speech, please note the 75% exp loss reduction was meant to be sarcasm...

Hm, ruducing XP loss is quite original though a little pointless in reducing already reduced costs, i.e. conglutination. Might as well have a nifty little RP skill than telling the mightly Glomdoring to pray for salvation even if they're losing less.

Actually that gives me a glimmer of an idea...

Crow's False Memory and Night's Hidden hand (bad names I know)

When dead, you declare that you are not before the Fates have a chance to speak to you. Thus you come back to life at the Ravenwood and lose less xp accordingly.

Hrm, actually....well, while I agree that Glom should have a rezzskill, I don't really get your calculation.

so, if

no rezzskill == no raiding

you say that

rezzskill == raiding


Which probably isn't true. I can count the people in Glom who are either inent on, able to, or wanting to raid on one, maybe two hands. The rest simply doesn't really care because they are used to being passive.

I think its more accurate to say ...

while(rezz== True)
Chance to Raid++
while(rezz==False)
Chance to Raid--

I know that for myself, I had more desire to raid as a member of the Ur'guard than I did as a member of the Ebonguard.

The more you raid and get rezzed, the more likely you are to raid the next time around, the more you raid and pray the less likely you are to raid the next time around.

I know if I had lich I would be raiding many places that I don't attack right now. Even it was just to complete a quest.

Yes, but look who actually CAN raid. I count Diamante, Icarus and Ferlas. The rest would die in the first or second hit of the defenders. It's okay to say that if Glomdoring got a rezzskill, there are going to be more fighters and raiders in the commune, but not that the current people are discouraged from raiding because they have none. I couldn't see people like Thul, Kithan, Shayle, Nirrti or Pentu raiding, sorry.