Testing mind crushes

by ferlas

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Geb2006-05-18 12:03:59
QUOTE(Diamante @ May 18 2006, 11:42 AM) 289391

Throne(+2) Beauty (+2) (Netzach +1) Lion (+1-3) Tosha (+20%ego) Torc (+5-15% ego) War (+10% damage) Scepter (+10-20% damage) Herofete (+1 char) Truefavour (+1 char) Catacombs blessing (+10%ego)

All of these things effect mindblast damage. I cannot concieve how this log of you, a furrikin with a sip bonus(from stone) and a sprite (passivley restores mana) standing outside a demesne against a mugwump who is hardly buffed and not even using his other channels (like throat locking) shows ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING related to how this ability is balanced in combat. It gives no serious data that is reflective to how this skill is or is not imbalanced in regards to actual combat.
This is like taking ixion without deffs, removing his elemental runes, and asking him to swing with one sword, and posting that as factual evidence that damage warriors are not overpowered. (They aren't, damage sucks here, but was just to make an example.)


I agree completely with the above poster's statement. The use of stupidity, sickness in his vibe that reduces sipping, phantoms, and the damage his demesne does would probably give a completely different impression on how strong the attack is now. Remember that the attack has been increased in power two ways. The recovery time on the attack has been reduced by 25% and the damage has been increased based on the amount of ego (not charisma) the person has. Considering the fact that Telepaths can mindlink to boost their ego, they have a nice way of boosting their damage even if they do not add a single point of charisma to their racial base.

I personally only felt the attack was too slow. In the envoys before last, I requested that the superstratus be placed on a 6-second recovery. That change right there is enough to make the ability useful. The addition of the boost in damage based on the level of ego the person possesses is a bit over the top in my opinion.
ferlas2006-05-18 12:06:22
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Murphy2006-05-18 12:32:57
hmm just a little dig at diamante cause i never thought i'd get the chance to do it....telepath's can't throatlock!
Diamante2006-05-18 12:55:27
Yeah I noticed that later, don't often make mistakes regarding skills, but looks like I missed the boat on that one (however little impact it actually has on the meaning of my post)
ferlas2006-05-18 13:32:23
QUOTE(Diamante @ May 18 2006, 12:22 PM) 289405

titan faeling only has 2 higher charisma, unless in this case we're saying that two charisma is what makes this ability imbalancing


- The drains in PsychicVampirism and MindBlast in Telepathy are now
partially based on the maximum ego of the casting person. This is a de
facto upgrade to Hivemind as well, as that increases maximum ego of its
members.

I understood the problem to be that the persons level and charisma will make it do more damage, so titans with a huge ammout of ego + high charisma got a double whammy of a bonus so its not just +2 ego thats the problem its 2 ego and about 20 or 30 levels that the average person dosnt have?

Thats why I thought it was fine for the average mage but exceptionally overpowered for titans.

QUOTE(silimaur @ May 18 2006, 01:02 PM) 289411

lunge costs 2 power doesnt hit through shields, no where near as good as mind blast yet mindblast has no powercost can hit through shield and almost everything else, i find it strange


What can I say, knights are underpowered at the moment :shrug:
Acrune2006-05-18 14:43:21
Can we make psiblade damage based off ego too? halo.gif I certainly wouldn't mind doing 1000 damage or so through shields, heh.
Terenas2006-05-18 16:18:32
Nothing that hasn't already been said but I found this amusing.

QUOTE(Ferlas)

Revan stares at you with a burning intensity.
RUN RUN RUN
FLIGHT FLIGHT FLIGHT


Someone doesn't like being discerned. tongue.gif
Revan2006-05-18 20:57:24
QUOTE(Diamante @ May 18 2006, 06:42 AM) 289391

Throne(+2) Beauty (+2) (Netzach +1) Lion (+1-3) Tosha (+20%ego) Torc (+5-15% ego) War (+10% damage) Scepter (+10-20% damage) Herofete (+1 char) Truefavour (+1 char) Catacombs blessing (+10%ego)

I can feasably get... Throne, Netzach, Herofete, Beauty (if I bash and not go on a killing spree, which I never do) and TF (if the god feels particularly giving.). Torc/scepter... do you think most mages have a bundle of credits to spend? That and I'm too lazy to quest for tosha and catacombs. Lion... there aren't even any astrologers around nowadays sad.gif
So overall, if I'm having an AMAZINGLY GOOD day I could have... 11+1+1+1+2+2 = 18 cha. On a NORMAL day... I could most likely get 15 cha. So yes, I was buffed, don't even give me that I wasn't. "buffed" does not mean "artied out quest monger who has 100 hours to bash and offer every day for TFs, never ever kills a soul so he can keep his karma above 50% and has a personaly astrologer at his heels every day." Again, you bring Demesnes into this. Again, I say "LOVE POTIONS!".

To paraphrase Diamante... this is like telling Ixion to slash at me with everything he's got, because... I'm giving all I've got. Well, except for the afflictions.
Vix2006-05-18 22:36:08
Could we get AB information on mind crush? If it's magic type then testing on a furrikin wiccan isn't the best of subjects. Pretty much what everyone else said, try with demesne, etc.

Also, could you not gag your health results after getting crushed? I want to be able to see how much damage was done before you sipped. From what I saw though, 800 health, mana, and ego in one go does seem a bit much.
Athana2006-05-19 00:03:23
Syntax: PSI MINDBLAST
Channels: Superstratus
Damage Type: 100% Psychic
Damage Source: Magical
A powerful attack that will damage the mind, body, and ego, even if the opponent is in dreamform, phased, or a ghost.
Vix2006-05-19 00:12:08
Ah, there. Magical. Furrikin have level 3 resistance and as a Shadowdancer she has garb, nightkiss and possibly a proofed robe. (Nightkiss blocks magical attacks right?)
Athana2006-05-19 00:49:26
No Vix, it's a magical attack but the damage type is 100% psychic
Unknown2006-05-19 00:52:50
QUOTE(Vix @ May 18 2006, 05:12 PM) 289664

Ah, there. Magical. Furrikin have level 3 resistance and as a Shadowdancer she has garb, nightkiss and possibly a proofed robe. (Nightkiss blocks magical attacks right?)


Er.. the Damage Source doesn't matter. Its the Damage Type that is taken into account by resistances.

Moonburst is Magic Source and Magic Type Damage. So Furrikin are resistant to it.
Mindblast is Magic Source and Psychic Type Damage. So Furrikin are not resistant to it.
Vix2006-05-19 00:55:43
Crap. Misread. Why bother putting a damage source if it's obviously magical? huh.gif What other damage source is there anyways?
Shamarah2006-05-19 01:06:05
Physical.
Vix2006-05-19 01:08:08
What's the point of that though? It's fairly obvious that swinging a sword is physical and blasting someone psychicly is magical. Are there any 50% physical, 50% magical skills out there? tongue.gif

Anyways, I can't read. At least, not in that post. dry.gif
Geb2006-05-19 03:08:05
QUOTE(Vix @ May 19 2006, 02:08 AM) 289674

What's the point of that though? It's fairly obvious that swinging a sword is physical and blasting someone psychicly is magical. Are there any 50% physical, 50% magical skills out there? tongue.gif

Anyways, I can't read. At least, not in that post. dry.gif


The source of the damage tells you what types of items will boost the damage. Example: Artifacts that boost damage from a magical source, will boost the damage given by the mindblast attack.
Terenas2006-05-19 06:39:25
One thing that bothering me. Aren't we talking about Mindblast here? Mind Crush is Monk Telepathy, not Mage Telepathy.

Frankly I believe Psionics as a whole needs to be looked at and balanced. Many abilities are ridiculously overpowered at the moment (Heartburst, Mindblast, Psi Daggers) and need to be addressed. A Mage already has access to the best passive abilities in the game, giving them additioanl unblockable afflictions/damage/instantkill is just plainly wrong.
Daganev2006-05-19 15:52:57
Its not wrong, because it opens the door for Warriors to get Uberbuffed soon!
Sylphas2006-05-26 15:32:11
Now that I think about it, it seems that Druids and Mages are rather imbalanced in comparison to each other. Ecology can't do the insane things Psionics can. It's not a bad skill, but it's not Forcefield, daggers, or this. And I still Druid demesne is worse than Aqua/Geo demesne.