HELP GLOMDORING

Sprawled across the southeastern hills, lays the foreboding Glomdoring
forest. It is a place where shadows live and nightmares manifest. Those who
venture uninvited returned shaken, mumbling incoherently of monsters of thorn
and soil, horrors of shadow. Under the malevolent gaze of Crow and Mother
Night the community of Glomdoring has come to name the place home. Within
its shadowy borders, three guilds came to existence: The Shadowdancers,
Blacktalons and Ebonguard. Together they work as a single unit to worship the Greater spirits
and show gratitude to Glomdoring's creator Lady Viravain. Weakness is not tolerated and total loyalty is
demanded. Those weak of heart and mind have nothing to seek in the forest of
no mercy.



HELP 12.3.3
during the Taint when Gloriana Forest was corrupted, so too was its
counterpart on the ethereal plane. Thus, as Gloriana changed into the
Glomdoring Forest, so too did this part of ethereal plane. Many fae were
tortured and died here and now, some wish to return to its borders to serve out
thier Te'vhira to Night. It is also home to the great nest of Crow.

See also ETHEREAL PLANE.




Suggested changes to the Help files are in bold...

Have fun, suggest your own!

here are the originals

What's wrong with the old text? I quite liked Glomdoring wanting to spread itself (Rowena eloquently stated it in the histories).

If you want to change your commune's RP, why not do it in the game?

First off, the suggestions I made, reflect the actual, tangeable RP of Glomdoring. Nobody in Glomdoring actively tries to spread the commune. So ingame, its allready changed.

Whats wrong with the old text is that it is misleading to new players.

As for the old text of 12.3.3, thats from before Glomdoring was even a commune.


How exactly do you change Help files in game?

If you want to change help files, change HELP EBONGUARD.

Incorrect. I've seen Glomdoring trying to influence villages. Your premise is false.


As the histories will be if you change it. Going down a different path is going to introduce confusion no matter what you do.

That probabbly needs to be changed also, but that Adracunin can do on his own, don't need special admin or gods to do that.




Avaer, go read HELP serenwilde, They have tons of villages, no where does it say they are trying to take over the basin.. Villages have nothing to do with it. Your premise is really faulty.


and let me explain this again.. THERE IS NO DIFFERENT PATH!

Why don't you bother to read what I wrote? What I wrote has always been true since Glomdoring opened. There is enough confusion with the Histories and GLomdoring since Viravain hates Rowena, and Rowena does nothing but spit and talk about being pregnant. The entire events of what has happened in Glomdoring has never reflected what happened in the Histories.

The only thing that could probably use changing is the second one.

Except that according to Maeve, it no longer holds terror to them.

WHY in Nil's name does Glomdoring not want to spread the glory of its forest? If it isn't to do with expanding Glomdoring's influence, why do you have a problem with the given RP? I don't get where you are coming up with this observation.

I think it would be fun to make a decision that Serenwilde is going to be pro-city, and change all our helpfiles to match. But you can't just do that on a whim.


Edit: Or I did. Nevermind.

How about we just remove that part then:

During the Taint when Gloriana Forest was corrupted, so too was its
counterpart on the ethereal plane. Thus, as Gloriana changed into the
Glomdoring Forest, so too did this part of ethereal plane. Many fae were
tortured and died here and none cross willingly into its borders save for
those who endure the Te'vhira on behalf of their people.

See also ETHEREAL PLANE.

Avaer, apparently you are missing something called Reality.

In Glomdoring, we never talk about expanding the forest. Sure glomdoring has been involved in influencing, but it has never been a push or a goal. When it comes up, people do it, but its rarely prepaird for, or talked about. Nobody tries to go to the other villages and weaken them before an influence session. Glomdoring cares about itsself only.

Infact, almost every time that during influencing someone has attacked Glomdoring, the responce has been Defend glomdoring, and who cares about the stupid village.

My point, is that from the begining of GLomdoring, the actual RP and actions of the commune, have never reflected the Help scrolls, and the Skills of glomdoring do not reflect the help scrolls. Since the responce was that for RP reasons Glomdoring is the way it is, then it should reflect its RP nature, and not focus on the combat nature, which is not there.

My suggestion to the HELP file was to -reflect- the reality, that we care more about your RP and being good to Viravain, and showing the Spirits Respect and follow thier teachings, then they do about gaining villages or showing any sign of military might.

Why not just change 'personifying the wrath and power', since it is clear you are saying Glomdoring has neither, and that that is the only problem. Perhaps the helpfile could read "personifying the fears and inadequecies".

Edit: Meh, I'm going to stop now. I'm just really rather annoyed that this kind of thing is still going on in Glomdoring. I -liked- the RP that the histories/events/helpfiles gave, and I don't know why you have to make these topics that push against it. I don't want to see Glomdoring, the forest without mercy, replaced by some pathetic Serenwilde clone.

But I'm sorry for taking up so much of your thread. Please, continue the lunacy.

You have the reading comprehension skills of a mongoose.

What is so wrong with changing a Help File, instead of Recoding and redesinging Complete skillsets?

I would think thats a much better option. Change a few words in a help file, or spend weaks and months redesigning and retuning new skills.

I have a feeling that if we added that line in the help file, we would atract more people who actually fit the RP of the commune rather than people who come in and say "ooh I can be ebil, kill everything AND have access to Alchemy! WOOT" And then complain when they get in trouble for killing novices.

Meh I wish I could take every back that I said save the first post...

I hate how people can so easily push my buttons by projecting what they think I'm saying, instead of what I'm actually saying, which makes me not write coherently.

Anyway, I'd like to seriously discuss ways to have the Help files reflect the actual skillsets and RP that glomdoring has, instead of basing it of some theory that never actualized itself. (do to the history being written before the skillsets and the two just not matching up. All the other places seem to match themselves well, save for serenwilde, which had to nerf many of thier defensive skills because thier offense was too good)

Here is the Short answer: Yes it can, but I imagine you would need to contact your divine Patron about it just like any other similar changes in your nation would entail.


Part of Glomdoring's RP is that if they have fears or inadequecies they just choose not to remember them(so changing the help file in that way would just be wrong). Talk to the aspects of crow with an alt if you have the chance, it's a very interesting experiance.

Elryn, you are completely wrong.

And how can you call it a "Serenwilde clone"? Glom and Seren are so completely different it isn't even funny.

You act as if Glom had a choice to become introverted. It didn't. Narsrim&Co have hounded them from before the beginning, so they've never had the chance to get on their feet in terms of military might. Fighters don't stick around, because in the start, the fighters wanted to make Glomdoring their own private army, so a lot of combatants of the established variety came and went.

Its a fact that Glomdoring is now completely introverted and self-obsessed. They don't care about the outside world--they may have the weakest military, but they have, by far, the strongest culture.

Dag is in no way "fighting" against the established RP, Elryn, you simply have no preception of what the established RP was. Magnagora is an example--according to their helpfile, they are NOT supposed to be militaristic. They are supposed to be a political force, using influence and guile to manipulate their opponents. That's what their helpfile says. But that definitely isn't how they've developed. If they wanted to change that, would you accuse them of trying to "fight their established RP"?

Until you've had a decent-term character in Glomdoring, you can't talk as if you're holier than thou, which is what you're doing. You know about what the Glomdoring is. Viravain herself started the whole thing of "Nothing Matters But Glomdoring"... and with a saying like that being slammed into everyone's heads, how is anyone supposed to develop a real care for anything beyond?

The helpfile does not equate to an established RP. The histories do not equate to an established RP (if we're saying that, you should be slapped. Serenwilde is so completely different from the histories. If Seren was based on the histories, it would stand back and let Magnagora crush Celest. None of this "it helps us to help them" .)

What equates to an established RP is *gasp* what has been RPed since its inception and reinforced by Viravain.

I remember when Glomdoring was just starting, Viravain made it clear that she would rather have totems to praise Crow over villages or fae. Glomdoring has always cared for its heart first, and almost never about anything else. The fae are ignorable. The villages are ignorable. Everything is ignorable. Nothing Matters But Glomdoring.

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~

I never thought of "Nothing Matters But Glomdoring" as meaning that the forest should be contained, or that it implied the other organizations and territories should be respected and welcomed. I understood why at the beginning of its inception the focus was very much on building a solid foundation from which to later build, but I never took Viravain's words to mean that Glomdoring would never seriously try to influence a village, or take Faethorn.

To say that the skills and RP are against I feel is wrong.

Forestcast infest seems to me to have little if any usefulness in Glomdoring itself.

Crow cloaks seem to me to be for the purpose of spreading Glomdoring's influence beyond its own borders, including the undead.

Night Penumbra seems to me to be entirely used for the benefit of outsiders, even if it is merely vanity I'm not sure why it would be given as a gift from the great spirit if it were not expected to be used for influencing outsiders.

I've had a long-term character in Glomdoring, and because I chose to view the Fae as weak, and drop the charade that we were as 'helpful' and 'caring' as Serenwilde (unless talking to them), my own RP was very much different to the accepted norm, yes. I really enjoyed the RP of Glomdoring itself, and the various possibilities for interpreting the 'mission', if you like. But I don't think it needs to be officially changed at all.

While I may have overreacted about this minor alteration, my concern is that while it may be a choice of the current government to ignore the outside world entirely, it is not something that needs to stay that way forever. Viewing everything outside Glomdoring as inferior (as I tried to do) does NOT necessarily mean you leave it alone to do whatever it likes, and hole up in a cocoon. If nothing matters but Glomdoring, why shouldn't Glomdoring take its place?

The other problem is that I'm worried the commune will continue to stagnate if there is no drive, or reason for its existence. While Serenwilde can say it protects the Fae and the health of the wilderness, and the two cities have each other to bounce off, I'm not sure if Glomdoring has enough purpose without caring about anything beyond its borders. Maybe it does, or will develop something, but interesting RP between its own members isn't really an inspiring goal to me. It's an excellent environment in which to play, but I don't know if that's enough.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I know Daganev has made a lot of arguments about how the game is coded to preclude interacting with the outside world, and how it forces a certain path of RP. I vehemently disagree with this, and I think it is a dangerous path to take.

Edit: As another example, Serenwilde has been a staunch ally of Celest essentially since the game opened. Would it then be reasonable for us to ask that the help files be changed to remove the part about blaming and hating cities?

Every time you make a thread, it's interesting to see whether or not you will try to insult everyone within it for disagreeing in the slightest with you.

By the way, I'd also dispute this. I think there are quite a few very intelligent people in Magnagora that have put forth compelling arguments and engaged in very clever debates on behalf of the city. Its also been my experience (as an outsider) that Magnagora is very ready to engage in bargaining and diplomacy if it suits them, individually or as an organization.

I don't think its fair to say they have only militaristic RP.

I don't care if someone disagrees, I do care if they claim to know what I'm arguing, and get it completely wrong.

Disagree with my point all you want, but I hate it when people disagree with a point that isn't being made.

Like it is likewise not fair to say that Glomdoring doesn't talk about expanding the forest.

Daganev, just...stop.