And a Pureblade can give Sever Tendon in one hit, knocking someone onto the ground and negating parry/stance altogether. Your point? Or how about the fact that an Axelord can get knockdown on the first allowing them to do the exact same thing?


So, how does that negate my point that you can still use Pulp to Bashbrain? My concern right now is that Haymaker, my 10 power ability can no longer Behead a target because 2-handers were so ridiculously overpowered that they beheaded people in 3 Assault/Sweep.

Diamante-

I'm sorry, but you're complaining about doing 950 wounds to a warrior? I don't have my info with me but last time I recall Heavy wound starts at between 1200 and 1300, which means you put her at medium wound in one hit. Being able to put a warrior in plate armor into medium wound in one hit isn't good? Why don't you go try that against a non-warrior and then compare.

For eight power? four lunges will put just about anyone heavily into critical. You can get tendon from lunges, I can't mangle leg, nor does mangle leg knock prone. To argue that in any way pureblades and axelords are not grossly underpowered compared to one -handers is sheer ignorance. I've been 3 of the possible four specializations, and so far the most powerful is blademaster by far and away, so much so that I'm heavily considering switching back to blademaster for pinleg alone, not to mention the rend fests or slit locks, which are not availible to bonecrushers.

The fact that if a bonecrusher is using pulp to go for the bashbrain, he's severly limiting his offence and it's actually a good thing.

The difference is time, Dia. Pulp is two Swings in one move. Crush/Lunge are single Jab-based hits.

1) You cannot get things like Bashbrain/Burst Organs/Blackeye from Crushes, likewise you cannot get Behead/Disembowel/Slit Throat from Lunges.
2) You can't mangle with jabs but you can still get Knockdown and many of your head-based afflictions off of jabs.
3) Once again, my major complain is Pulp will always hit the desired limb, unlike Hack Down or Smite Down, which have only a 50/50 chance. Thus it makes Pulp much more viable to use for Bashbrain, whereas Haymaker cannot be used for Behead.


If a BC is going to Pulp aimlessly for Bashbrain then obviously that holds true. It is once again in the timing. I've beheaded quite a few people with a well-timed Haymaker to finish off the fight. Unfortunately, that is no longer possible, which is why I blame PB/AL.

Wow, I bet you would break down and cry if you actually had a PB or an AL right now. That or convert to a mage. Warriors got nerfed period. AL's and PB's took in the more than most. As Diamante pointed out BM's if used correctly outclass most BC's (save one ex-psycho one)... Yes BC's have pulp and stun moves... I have Murphy's system and he from what I recall before I changed it around for a PB, it didn't have but a few pulp macros. This leads me to believe that it was a pretty cold day in hell before he decided to use pulp. Yeah Haymaker may not be able to behead anymore... and you are now feeling the bite the PB's have with hack down. The randomness of the hack and how it is easily blocked.... imagine if you couldn't raze first and then hack down... So cry me a river about Haymaker... use something else...

Ciaran-
Yeah not sure what they have in store... but double poison is a good idea. Better chest and gut strikes would help.. and they say they fixed amputate?? Well as I remember Thorgal saying 1.5 seconds isnt really much of a fix... make amputate much easier to obtain then or delay the curing of it so you can get one more hit in at least...

personally I wouldn't want double poison (then, as someone else said, we AL and PBs would be regular people wiht different names). I'd personally prefer slightly more evil afflictions to double poison, to keep us different, but I'm a knighthood nub so I probably should even post. Too late.

1. Wrong, burstorgans is a jab

2. You can also get knockdowns off swings.

3. That doesn't make up for the fact that pulp costs 8 power, and you're ALWAYS better off using crushes and smite down.

It might work for Sever Tendon if your opponent is bad at curing, but you of all people should know that you can stand, re-stance and re-parry from a Knockdown faster than the Axelord can regain balance. Despite the 'upgrade' to Axelord knockdown (which is hardly noticeable), it is inferior to a bonecrusher knockdown in the sense that they can use the crush leg/smite down combo.

This is about two handers, not one handers, get off the thread you 1 hander wankers, compared to 2 handers you guys are both way overpowered.

axelord knockdown should give broken leg too, so they have to apply mending and stand...that way if you envenom slickness and get lucky you can knockdown hackdown

Agreed, Axelords need something better to prone because their knockdown doesn't cut it. (Also it would be better if you could combine two poisons like senso and mantakaya to slow down their standing a bit, giving knockdown a use.)

didn't axelord knockdown stun just get increased?

The across-the-board nerfs to warriors were things that the Envoys and admins felt needed to be changed so there isn't much to say about that. AL and PB got screwed over more than most because they were ridiculous. Assault/Sweep should never had been able to Behead in the first place, but because they were it got Haymaker nerfed, do you refute this?


1) So burstorgans is better than Disembowel, figures.
2) Even better than just jabs.
3) Again, for wounding potential it is better to use Crushers for wounding per power cost but the problem still lies in the fact that Smite down is extremely unreliable.

Lastly, I don't believe that BM is the most powerful of all the warrior specializations. I've fought more than my shares of warriors in Lusternia, ranging from all the best of all the warrior guilds. Only a few warriors have ever beaten me, if I don't count in all the loses attributed to insane damaging (Ixion/Icarus) the only two warriors that gave me the most troubles with wounding were Daevos as a PB and Murphy as a BC. So no, I don't believe that BM is the best of all specializations. Just people have became so reliance on Assault x 3 = Behead that they feel they've horribly underpowered and need extreme upgrades.


See previous reply.

I remember that one time i got you on burstorgans....was hilarious but an obvious messup by your system.

You haven't fought for a while though, things have changed here and there, however 2handers are severley gimped at the moment there is no doubt about it.

I do not deal insane damage. My axe has a base damage rating of 358 which translates to 179 for a one-hander. I have high strength (21 max) at the expense of speed, mana and size.

I have skills, damn it.

I can near tank icarus's damage anyway, Two handers just cant do anything to get their opponents in a state where they can hack down to behead, blade masters and bone crushers can. Not to mention damage or behead is a two handers only option to kill so they practically cant kill anyone decent as warrior damage is tankable for a lot of classes and two handers cant get their opponents into a state where they can behead.

Blademasters are obviously more powerful than axelords or pureblades terenas there is simply no question about it. Bone crusher vs blademaster is a different argument I find blademasters more powerful but then thats just personal opinion mainly because of things like pin leg locking which isnt to hard to do.

It did but even if you have a 279 speed axe your oppenent will still get up before you get balance. You will barely notice a difference.

I'm goign to take a gander and guess that if you use the leg breaking poisons or the paralsys poison your going to notice 1/3 of the time.

Err no. Applying mending to cure broken leg is instantaneous. Focus body takes a bit of time but even with the stun time added, you can still stand before the axelord regain balance.

Didn't say you didn't have skills. And 179 is high damage with today's standards since 180 damage is max for a Broadsword or Flail.

The last few times we sparred it was your damage though that scared me. 1200-1500 damage per hit coupled with over 800 wounding is painful, not many people can do that much damage and wounding in a single hit. The last two times I fought Daevos for about an hour straight I was more afraid of his afflictions like Amputate and Slit Throat than anything.