2 handers

by Shryke

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Shryke2006-05-22 22:46:41
Save three power and you won't die to a 2 hander unless you are inept, simple as that... It's IMPOSSIBLE, I repeat IMPOSSIBLE to get a double amputate against a decent curer, and you are only going to get tendons on assaults so the most that will get strung together are two, which you should be able to allheale out of the first and have time to apply out of the second, leaving you with no worries from a PB... I don't see how you can be afraid at all of PB's since they have NO way at all to make you want to move your parry off your head and your stance of your legs. Really, in honesty you shouldn't fear any pureblade who's damage you can keep pace with. I don't see how you can possibly think that 2 handers aren't very underpowered. The only way a pureblader could kill against someone that cuold handle their damage before the change was assault beheads, because once somebody got too high a headwounds they would parry their heads. Once that happens your chance in succesfully getting a hack down to hit for a behead is probably around 1/20, and your window for doing it is relatively small. /endrant
Simply, 2 handers are COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY nerfed, it's like we have healing for our main offensive skillset, we aint killin anyone.
Unknown2006-06-04 10:30:13
ohmy.gif . should i change from axelord. I'm not particulaly attached to it but i've put in about 120 or so lessons (maybe a little more) but i have no chance of getting ooc credits. That and my current weapon is an axe albeit the one they give to novices.
Unknown2006-06-04 14:37:52
QUOTE(terenas @ May 22 2006, 08:06 AM) 290480

1200-1500 damage per hit coupled with over 800 wounding is painful, not many people can do that much damage and wounding in a single hit.


That doesn't seem so bad... what happened to the ridiculous 1500-2300 BC and BM warriors were doing before I left? But it was ok, because Warriors "Wouldn't be able to kill anyone if their damage was any less" at least that's what they said.


And it sounds like they changed the wounding system...
Unknown2006-06-04 14:41:03
I think Axelord needs some upgrades.. Marcalo did 350 per attack to me last time we fought.
Unknown2006-06-04 18:43:37
Wow how strong is Marcalo's axe cause with a 380 damage axe I would at least do 800 to 1200 minimum. I suggested a couple upgrade's that axelords needed since even before the no sweep or assault beheads we were worst then purebladers.
Ildaudid2006-06-04 19:10:47
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 4 2006, 10:37 AM) 293874

That doesn't seem so bad... what happened to the ridiculous 1500-2300 BC and BM warriors were doing before I left? But it was ok, because Warriors "Wouldn't be able to kill anyone if their damage was any less" at least that's what they said.
And it sounds like they changed the wounding system...


Yeah no one that I know of is a real damage warrior anymore except Ixion. Most are wounding warriors. Ixion can hit you pretty good but since warriors in general got nerfed his hits from what I rember Ferlas sayin in tests are not to terrible to heal.

Now PB's and AL's got the shaft once again... Warriors in general too, but since BC's and BM's have some skills to fall back and and PB's can only kill with a hack down attack when head is at critical unless they have a champ helm and/or arti'd weapons... They are just stuck in limbo until the next envoy summit, which no one knows when that may or may not happen... We lost Ciaran for a bit who was a very active PB until this was remedied I hope.... as for me.... as I have said before there is a very fine line between biding one's time and wasting one's time... so for now I'll be around but I'll be.. fishing1.gif
Unknown2006-06-04 19:15:57
QUOTE(Crynus @ Jun 4 2006, 07:43 PM) 293997

Wow how strong is Marcalo's axe cause with a 380 damage axe I would at least do 800 to 1200 minimum. I suggested a couple upgrade's that axelords needed since even before the no sweep or assault beheads we were worst then purebladers.


To be fair, I do have some good defences against physical damage. But axelords do seem relatively weak.
Unknown2006-06-04 20:46:51
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Jun 4 2006, 09:10 AM) 294007

Yeah no one that I know of is a real damage warrior anymore except Ixion. Most are wounding warriors. Ixion can hit you pretty good but since warriors in general got nerfed his hits from what I rember Ferlas sayin in tests are not to terrible to heal.

Now PB's and AL's got the shaft once again... Warriors in general too, but since BC's and BM's have some skills to fall back and and PB's can only kill with a hack down attack when head is at critical unless they have a champ helm and/or arti'd weapons... They are just stuck in limbo until the next envoy summit, which no one knows when that may or may not happen... We lost Ciaran for a bit who was a very active PB until this was remedied I hope.... as for me.... as I have said before there is a very fine line between biding one's time and wasting one's time... so for now I'll be around but I'll be.. fishing1.gif


You were one of the Warriors I was referring too, who actually defended the ridiculous 2k double crushes as balanced, and those were your words that Warriors wouldn't be able to kill anyone if they did any less. Heh.

It's funny, talking to me must be like looking into the past, I don't know how things have changed, I just remember how they were at the moment of my leaving. That's how it used to be, and meh was it unbalanced.
Ildaudid2006-06-04 23:43:59
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 4 2006, 04:46 PM) 294036

You were one of the Warriors I was referring too, who actually defended the ridiculous 2k double crushes as balanced, and those were your words that Warriors wouldn't be able to kill anyone if they did any less. Heh.

It's funny, talking to me must be like looking into the past, I don't know how things have changed, I just remember how they were at the moment of my leaving. That's how it used to be, and meh was it unbalanced.


I was? I didn't see it but I was probably meaning 2k wounding which isnt too much at all. But my bad if I said damage.. blush.gif
Unknown2006-06-04 23:46:06
Actually, Tuek, I think you're wrong about him being one of the warriors. You left before February of this year, didn't you?
Unknown2006-06-05 05:50:53
QUOTE(Fallen @ Jun 4 2006, 01:46 PM) 294076

Actually, Tuek, I think you're wrong about him being one of the warriors. You left before February of this year, didn't you?


Way way way before February. I meant that is what he used to say back in the day when Warriors were doing insane amounts of damage, before Pureblades and Axelords.

Let me find out the exact date I left...

Edit: Ah I left June 27th of 2005. So it's been pretty much almost a year exactly.
Ildaudid2006-06-05 07:43:25
Ahh ok that wouldn't have been me then... mellow.gif
Unknown2006-06-05 07:52:44
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Jun 5 2006, 02:43 AM) 294277

Ahh ok that wouldn't have been me then... mellow.gif

Ildaudid's a newbie


ewwwww

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ferlas2006-06-05 14:47:47
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jun 4 2006, 03:37 PM) 293874

That doesn't seem so bad... what happened to the ridiculous 1500-2300 BC and BM warriors were doing before I left? But it was ok, because Warriors "Wouldn't be able to kill anyone if their damage was any less" at least that's what they said.
And it sounds like they changed the wounding system...


Heh warriors got nerfed to oblivion especially two handers, Two handers just plain can not kill anyone decent any more. Damage warriors got nerfed insanely as well ixion who has the best swords in the game does tiny 1k damage and 500 wounds every four seconds. Damage warriors are pretty useless now days.

To be honest I could cope with warriors doing 1.5k damage it would just mean you have to hinder a slight bit more instead of just sitting and laughing at their damage.
Terenas2006-06-05 19:19:46
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 5 2006, 02:47 PM) 294399

Heh warriors got nerfed to oblivion especially two handers, Two handers just plain can not kill anyone decent any more. Damage warriors got nerfed insanely as well ixion who has the best swords in the game does tiny 1k damage and 500 wounds every four seconds. Damage warriors are pretty useless now days.

To be honest I could cope with warriors doing 1.5k damage it would just mean you have to hinder a slight bit more instead of just sitting and laughing at their damage.

Poor Ixion? He does 1k damage to me per sword and that's against a Knight with 115 cutting Fullplate and Drawdown/Trans Resilience. I'm sorry but could you show me a log of you surviving 2k damage every 4 seconds?
ferlas2006-06-05 19:36:42
Is this a recent thing terenas? Because recentl tests show him doing 500 to 600 damage per sword with a max health of 3600 that is exceptionaly easy to tank considering shield, web, rebounding etc etc.

Are you taking 2k combos now terenas?

EDIT: Im asking if its recent because before the envoys lunge seemed to increase damage, now it dosnt, before the envoys I was taking on average 1.4 to 1.6 per combo from ixion after the most recent envoys Im now taking about 1k per combo from him as a wiccan.