Unknown2006-05-23 23:41:00
Damn your unfunny comics to hell, you stinking commy bastard.
Unknown2006-05-24 00:11:36
Yeah, I am so horrible.
Daganev2006-05-24 00:46:19
Ok... barring you choosing some crazy race that has nothing that looks like reasonable stats to be a warrior, only your weapon really matters.
I just realized you were talking about an unspecialized faeling.
If your strength is above 12, and your racial advantages and disadvantages arn't terrible, what race you are really isn't going to matter.
The reason I say this, is because just changing my weapons around has made me much more able to kill people.
Between my 200/165/165 flails, and my 60/150/300 hammers I was never really able to kill anyone.
Then I got 40/200/210 hammers, and now I can kill people.
I just realized you were talking about an unspecialized faeling.
If your strength is above 12, and your racial advantages and disadvantages arn't terrible, what race you are really isn't going to matter.
The reason I say this, is because just changing my weapons around has made me much more able to kill people.
Between my 200/165/165 flails, and my 60/150/300 hammers I was never really able to kill anyone.
Then I got 40/200/210 hammers, and now I can kill people.
Unknown2006-05-24 01:40:26
After Daganev's clarification, I agree. If you have a good race for combat, weapons are more important (and dictate your combat style to a greater extent) than race. Even if Taurian is a better race than Dracnari, a Dracnari with good weapons will have a much easier time than Taurian with crappy weapons. Nothing saves furrikin, even with godly weapons, though.
Murphy2006-05-24 03:00:20
Where daganev is wrong is if yo'ure choosing aslaran.
Any wounding/speed weapons will be better in the hands of an aslaran if you're skilled enough to rip them a new one. I found a huge difference between orclach and aslaran when i came back to magnagora. Massive really.
Any wounding/speed weapons will be better in the hands of an aslaran if you're skilled enough to rip them a new one. I found a huge difference between orclach and aslaran when i came back to magnagora. Massive really.
Daganev2006-05-24 05:26:48
QUOTE(Murphy @ May 23 2006, 08:00 PM) 290832
Where daganev is wrong is if yo'ure choosing aslaran.
Any wounding/speed weapons will be better in the hands of an aslaran if you're skilled enough to rip them a new one. I found a huge difference between orclach and aslaran when i came back to magnagora. Massive really.
You used the same weapons?
Tervic2006-05-24 06:59:26
Trill's actually turning out to be not so bad what with the 14 str after Flex and 15 dex. The smallish size compared to the more "mainstream" warrior races helps too, but yes, the constitution leaves MUCH to be desired. Well, at least I can resist those pesky lightning runes better than most others!
Alger2006-05-25 10:53:30
Actually as an Aslaran I never had really good weapons till I got my last pair. While good weapons does help I did manage to whip several with the substandard ones even warriors with runes. Knowing how to tank and make the best out of your offensive > than race combo and great gear anyday.
Murphy2006-05-25 11:58:23
QUOTE(daganev @ May 24 2006, 03:26 PM) 290871
You used the same weapons?
Correct, between shadow faeling orclach and aslaran i've used the same weapons, and found my previous statement to be true. Not i'm talking about both my hammers (which are now for sale) and my flails.
Unknown2006-06-10 11:17:17
Now although I might just be a little wrong, I'd say that as long as you choose between the more physical races
You can't actually go wrong.
AS LONG AS you concentrate PURELY on that race's strengths.
I'll give a couple of examples to get you guys to see what I'm sayin':
You've got the Tae'dae right? Reaaallly strong, good resistances, but slow, unbalanced, unintelligent etc etc.
That doesn't matter
It just means that you're going to have to concentrate on giving slow, but bloody damn well powerful blows.
For this reason, if you choose a Tae'Dae, go pureblade or axelord. ThenThey dish-out a good amount of damage, and it takes less effort to get to the higher states of wounding/whatever you guys call it. And THEN choose a great axe or great sword, whichever one is the strongest. Try to concentrate on the Tae'dae's highest stat here.
Then you've got the Faeling.
Me and a friend were discussing how embarrisingly weak the Faeling is, but then we took its speed into consideration.
Could you imagine how god-damn fast a faeling Blademaster, with dual rapiers and quicksilver/Adrenaline could be!??! That's a LOT of attacks dude!
Now personally, I'm a Taurian axelord. I went for this 'cause I knew Axelords dish-out a crazy amount of damage, and when tied-in with the Taurian's quite good physical stats and it's enrage ability, I knew I'd be able to damn hurt something if I wanted to.
'course, now I'm sorta wishing I chose an Orclach, but I was previously a Dracnari, so unfortunatly that's no longer possible :S
Meh. As long as I concentrate on the Taurian's good constitution and strength, I reckon that as I get stronger I'll be up there with the big boys
You can't actually go wrong.
AS LONG AS you concentrate PURELY on that race's strengths.
I'll give a couple of examples to get you guys to see what I'm sayin':
You've got the Tae'dae right? Reaaallly strong, good resistances, but slow, unbalanced, unintelligent etc etc.
That doesn't matter
It just means that you're going to have to concentrate on giving slow, but bloody damn well powerful blows.
For this reason, if you choose a Tae'Dae, go pureblade or axelord. ThenThey dish-out a good amount of damage, and it takes less effort to get to the higher states of wounding/whatever you guys call it. And THEN choose a great axe or great sword, whichever one is the strongest. Try to concentrate on the Tae'dae's highest stat here.
Then you've got the Faeling.
Me and a friend were discussing how embarrisingly weak the Faeling is, but then we took its speed into consideration.
Could you imagine how god-damn fast a faeling Blademaster, with dual rapiers and quicksilver/Adrenaline could be!??! That's a LOT of attacks dude!
Now personally, I'm a Taurian axelord. I went for this 'cause I knew Axelords dish-out a crazy amount of damage, and when tied-in with the Taurian's quite good physical stats and it's enrage ability, I knew I'd be able to damn hurt something if I wanted to.
'course, now I'm sorta wishing I chose an Orclach, but I was previously a Dracnari, so unfortunatly that's no longer possible :S
Meh. As long as I concentrate on the Taurian's good constitution and strength, I reckon that as I get stronger I'll be up there with the big boys
Unknown2006-06-10 12:49:18
First of all, quicksilver does NOT affect balance. It is simply a defense against aeoning.
Now, as far as strength is concerned, let's do some calculation. Let's presume that the warrior in question has the skill Strength, which gives +2 str (a must-have for warriors).
Elfen Lord: 17 str
Merian Lord: 18 str
Brood Viscanti: 18 str
Tae'dae: 20 / 1.21 (each balance change gives a 7% increase/decrease in time) = 16.5 str (and a slower rate of poisoning or afflicting rate, if the wounds are at a good level)
Faeling: 9 / 0.79 = 11.4 str (good poison rate, but look at the horrible strength)
Faeling (spec): 15.1 str
Taurian: 17 str (19 with enrage, which SHOULD be always used - lashing out does negligible damage anyway)
Igasho: 19 / 1.14 = 16.7 str
Aslaran: 14 / 0.86 = 16.2 str (and a very good poison/affliction rate, which makes this 16.2 worth more than 17)
Dwarf: 15/ 1.07 = 14 str
Krokani: 18 str
Furrikin: 11 / 0.94 = 11.7 str
Additional str upgrading skills (fortuna, bear totem, lich, etc) give the greater effect the bigger your speed bonus.
Now, what does it show us? Since damage and wounding is more-or-less proportional to strength, the higher this "speed adjusted" str the more wounding you deal = the better your offensive capabilities. Of course, poison and affliction rate matter too, but to a much, much smaller extent, since the first one is unreliable and the other still requires wounding to work.
So I am sorry but your assumption is incorrect. The races make better and worse fighters (and the big n bulky types - Igasho and Tae'dae, are surprisingly not so good), and even though it does not make such a huge difference in PvE, fighting as a Taedae or unspecced Faeling in PvP will put you at a severe disadvantage. Taurian is a good choice though.
Now, as far as strength is concerned, let's do some calculation. Let's presume that the warrior in question has the skill Strength, which gives +2 str (a must-have for warriors).
Elfen Lord: 17 str
Merian Lord: 18 str
Brood Viscanti: 18 str
Tae'dae: 20 / 1.21 (each balance change gives a 7% increase/decrease in time) = 16.5 str (and a slower rate of poisoning or afflicting rate, if the wounds are at a good level)
Faeling: 9 / 0.79 = 11.4 str (good poison rate, but look at the horrible strength)
Faeling (spec): 15.1 str
Taurian: 17 str (19 with enrage, which SHOULD be always used - lashing out does negligible damage anyway)
Igasho: 19 / 1.14 = 16.7 str
Aslaran: 14 / 0.86 = 16.2 str (and a very good poison/affliction rate, which makes this 16.2 worth more than 17)
Dwarf: 15/ 1.07 = 14 str
Krokani: 18 str
Furrikin: 11 / 0.94 = 11.7 str
Additional str upgrading skills (fortuna, bear totem, lich, etc) give the greater effect the bigger your speed bonus.
Now, what does it show us? Since damage and wounding is more-or-less proportional to strength, the higher this "speed adjusted" str the more wounding you deal = the better your offensive capabilities. Of course, poison and affliction rate matter too, but to a much, much smaller extent, since the first one is unreliable and the other still requires wounding to work.
So I am sorry but your assumption is incorrect. The races make better and worse fighters (and the big n bulky types - Igasho and Tae'dae, are surprisingly not so good), and even though it does not make such a huge difference in PvE, fighting as a Taedae or unspecced Faeling in PvP will put you at a severe disadvantage. Taurian is a good choice though.
Jack2006-06-10 13:49:29
QUOTE(Asarnil @ May 21 2006, 10:07 PM) 290313
Murph, you forgot Loboshigaru. The L3 health regen, 10 int (which is more than most of the warrior races) and high Str, Dex and Con with no balance penalties makes them quite a nice race too.
Quoted for truth and emphasis.
I can't believe how many people overlook loboshi just due to their level 3 magic weakness. Trans magic and a magic proofed coat/cloak more or less nullifies that, and they're excellent all-round in every other conceivable aspect of combat.
Unknown2006-06-10 13:56:23
Loboshigaru is the best race for novice knights. My brother had a loboshigaru ur'guard, sweeped through Newton without resting (regeneration, baby!) and made level 50 in 2 days. He never had a serious IRE character before.
14 strength is a bit low for a warrior, but survivable. 15-16 with no buffs is the norm, so that 1 point shouldn't hurt that much.
14 strength is a bit low for a warrior, but survivable. 15-16 with no buffs is the norm, so that 1 point shouldn't hurt that much.
Ashteru2006-06-10 14:00:43
QUOTE(Jack @ Jun 10 2006, 01:49 PM) 296341
I can't believe how many people overlook loboshi just due to their level 3 magic weakness. Trans magic and a magic proofed coat/cloak more or less nullifies that, and they're excellent all-round in every other conceivable aspect of combat.
Level 2, babe.
Xenthos2006-06-10 14:40:01
How exactly are you getting Faeling (spec) at 15.1 strength? I hit 13 with bear and flex. Methinks your numbers are a bit off.
Slightly more accurate:
Brood Viscanti: 18 strength.
Specialized Faeling: 13 strength.
This is approximately a 28% strength increase, which means a 28% wounding increase as well.
Faeling's speed is a lot less than a 28% bonus.
Same numbers work for merian lord and krokani as well, just slightly less so with elfen lords.
Slightly more accurate:
Brood Viscanti: 18 strength.
Specialized Faeling: 13 strength.
This is approximately a 28% strength increase, which means a 28% wounding increase as well.
Faeling's speed is a lot less than a 28% bonus.
Same numbers work for merian lord and krokani as well, just slightly less so with elfen lords.
Jack2006-06-10 15:26:07
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Jun 10 2006, 03:00 PM) 296344
Level 2, babe.
Kay. If I ever get round to making a warrior, so gonna be lobo.
Shamarah2006-06-10 16:13:26
Yeah, lobos are amazing but like the only person who uses them is Amaru.
Athalas2006-06-10 16:23:26
Amaru is a taurian now. But yeah, lobo is a pretty nice race. Only thing though is i'd hate to see the new guardian symbol hitting them.
Unknown2006-06-10 18:32:09
QUOTE(Cuber @ Jun 10 2006, 09:56 AM) 296343
Loboshigaru is the best race for novice knights. My brother had a loboshigaru ur'guard, sweeped through Newton without resting (regeneration, baby!) and made level 50 in 2 days. He never had a serious IRE character before.
Whoa. Maybe I should reincarnate my warrior alt...
Unknown2006-06-10 18:44:14
I would create as a Lobo and then reincarnate once I'd reached a high level and the regen wasn't as important - much like what people do with Mugwumps or Humans.